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~ Updated Dec 23rd 2020 ~
A place to talk about beauty news... anything that doesn't have a specific thread. For upcoming releases, product updates and brand threads see the links below.
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@danielledanielle This is devastating. Ami Cole recently came to Sephora Canada and I have loved every product I have tried. This is so sad. 😭
@danielledanielle I’ve reread this article a few times now and I have… opinions. Ranty ones. They mostly orbit these two paragraphs:
“Instead of focusing on the healthy, sustainable future of the company and meeting the needs of our loyal fan base, I rode a temperamental wave of appraising investors — some of whom seemed to have an attitude toward equity and “betting big on inclusivity” that changed its tune a lot, to my ears, from what it sounded like in 2020.
Almost six years after Ami Colé first lived in my head — and four years after we officially launched — the world feels upside down. We’ve got this president, climbing tariffs, and marketing costs that are brutal for small brands like mine. And while my story isn’t unique, it still hurts to watch an industry preach inclusivity while remaining so unforgiving.”
Cannot convey in words how fed up I am with investors and ad trends using inclusivity as an empty marketing ploy. Without equity, there is no inclusivity. Small businesses (in any industry) don’t just need an “equal playing field” to compete with big corporations; that’s how small biz gets chewed up on the field. They need an equitable field. Especially many small BIPOC businesses. I know Sephora’s program is supposed to help fill the equity gap, but is it doing a good job at that? And there are probably other things that could fill that gap, like lower marketing costs for small brands. Even without an ad firm or “in-house” marketing person/team, that stuff’s not cheap. Ever seen the fees influencers charge for product videos? Kinda crazy. Small brands don’t need investors pressing them with big corp profit expectations, driving them into a deep marketing hole.
Small brands also don’t need this current administration (does anyone?)—but I’ll try not to rant about that right now so… Back to investors: that leap from “nondescript with niche audience” to “deserving brand of the future,” and all it took was public outcry over the murder of a brown-skinned man, which investors translated to “oooo now this is a great financial opportunity”… yeah, I think that sums up my feelings about investors and advertising in general, while sparing everyone the flood of bad words I wanna use. I have big-mad opinions.
I wish I could give Diarrha a hug in person.
@WinglessOne It’s such a shame! Truly saddens me. I know you have praised so many of her products and when you rave about products I know they will be good and I always try them. It’s so sad. 😞
I'm sure some of our opinions are super salty, equally the salinity of the salt. @WinglessOne
I went to see if this was being chatted about elsewhere and got saltined.
It was familiar feeling. I remember for Ami Colé Skin-Enhancing Lightweight & Blurring Foundation Stick a , uhm, debate let's say, broke out about the shade range in the Q&A. I def answered. I was seething at a lot of the responses. It got downvoted a lot and eventually deleted. I feel like the same kind of folk that complained are the same people that only feel inclusivity is important in calendar days, forgetting so, so sooooo many things we enjoy now (that haven't been completely destroyed yet) were from the work of others.
I saw a really good IG reel about DEI and how basically there's no current social media if it weren't for people with disabilities.
There's always a culling, though.
@danielledanielle Morbid curiosity made me go find that foundation stick question(s), and I see several of the “why no lighter shades” comments are still there. That figures. 🙄 Wish Sephora (or whoever their question&answer/review vendor is) would turn off auto-delete for downvotes, assuming that’s a thing. But yeah, those commenters are completely missing the point because they see things only from their “I’ve always had everything so I should also have this” perspective. And for anyone reading this who wants to fight me on that:
As one of my aunts used to say about this kind of stuff, while rolling her eyes: “we just can’t have anything.”
This hits hard, on many levels. It struck a chord, several actually, with me. I'm sad to see Ami Cole closing, and it goes well beyond the loss of my favorite lip oil. I'm sad that the landscape against which her decision was made is not uncommon.
Her piece in The Cut is beautifully written, honest, full of truth, and grace. I imagine there have been many a conversation taking place since its release, and I hope that the things discussed move beyond just being things to talk about.
@itsfi The lip oils 😭 this is so sad. 😞 I only found out through your post on the July hauls. Thank you for tagging it. I understand that why. But it’s hitting hard to see such great brands closing down.
@danielledanielle it's such a bummer. I wonder if they had been better off as an online only brand? It's such a tough, competitive beauty market these days and Sephora retail space I can assume is prohibitively expensive. I wonder if we're gonna see similar things with smaller brands, especially those that cater to BIPOC women, in the next couple of years.
Being an online only would've likely worsened it. From my understanding, "the next big thing" shelf space is too competitive and usually BIPOC brands pop up there. Because this current cycle of makeup focuses on what I'll call in my perspective, "clean girl aesthetic+ it brands" it can't fit because the "it" brands just produce variations of the viral product over and over and over. If you've ever detected subtext in my post that "current makeup is boring" well, 👏🏽👏🏽. Anything outside of that gets deregulated and often BIPOC have to work thrice as hard because equality is a game. On its own, it is a marketing technique. I hoped better for the graduates of Sephora's Accelerate program, but you barely hear about it. You have to go looking for updates vs Sephoria 2022 where it was highlighted (again, probably mostly marketing since we were all at home).
Equity is rarely a part of the conversation and equality+ equity is what inclusivity is really about. If you can't secure capital, you can't expand. Why couldn't she secure capital? Hmmm. 🤔. Mmmhmm.
The lip treatment oil I think was the first thing to go really viral, so that's where you saw so many variations, so if it was never available to try in store, I imagine returns would have been more so because it went viral and you see how the general consumer behaves. Viral products get returned A LOT from what I hear.
I think the reason why a lot of this is also upsetting this because is not a new thing. I think a lot of people (🙋🏽♀️) were thinking Ami Colé would be here for longer. At least Diarrha didn't get priced out of her company. That's usually how this goes.
@danielledanielle I was thinking online only as an independent brand, without the overhead that being on Sephora most likely includes. But you're probably right. Being able to swatch products is a big part of buying makeup and avoiding returns. I had completely forgotten about the Sephora accelerated program until you mentioned it. I remember thinking it was just a way to pacify customers at the time and not a true attempt at inclusivity (as is usually the case). I wonder if Basma is going through something similar. EADEM seems to be holding strong for now. They're lip balms are usually sold out but they don't seem to have another core product as far as I've noticed.
@itsfi interested in this...can't wait to read it went I'm not at work.
Sorry if I missed this elsewhere, but JVN and Inkey List are coming to Ulta
Also, see these browsing and immediately thought of you @caitbird
Those items definitely have @caitbird written all over them, @danielledanielle ! 😁
Huda Beauty returns to being one of the few full founder-led and independent companies after ending an 8-year partnership with private equity firm TSG Consumer Partners (as reported by BAZAAR Arabia). Go Huda go!
Article from NBC News online.
I had heard rumors that the line was being sold. I'm curious if the product quality will remain consistent, though I'm not very familiar with the Rhode lineup. Do you think this will shake up the Sephora launch @itsfi ?
Yes @PDXXXX, Rhode engaged JP Morgan Chase earlier this year to assist in sale opportunities. Some of those opportunites take some time to come to fruition and some, as in the case of Rhode, almost instantaneously. Product quality after the sale is definitely something that is a common concern. I certainly hope product quality remains unchanged or for the better, to the extent that is needed or possible. Time will tell with that, but then again, with the way things are, product quality can always be a moving target for most brands, with sourcing materials, etc. I have a handful of products I really enjoy from the skincare line so I sure do hope that things stay the same there.
That's a great question about the Sephora launch. There hasn't been a specific date that has been announced for its launch, just fall 2025. I don't know whether the news of Rhode and e.l.f. moving towards a sale will or how it will impact the announcement of that date - no idea whether there has been a more specific date / date range agreed to but not made available to release to the general public. Rhode in Sephora stores increases its brand exposure and I suspect that for Sephora that likely means more traffic coming into the stores to test, buy, sample Rhode products and possibly other brands, too. The e.l.f. - Rhode sale may provide Rhode some help when it comes to distribution - less so with recent releases, but there has been some dissatisfaction previously with delays in restocking newly launched products - and that could be beneficial from Sephora's perspective.