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Forehead winkles and skin regimen question

Hi, everyone.  I am recently 40 and would like some help with forehead lines and the dreaded "eleven" lines.  I understand that skin care needs change with age, but would appreciate some guidance in regard to how to manage my skin better.  My skin is typically on the drier side with an occasional hormonal break out.  Further, I have sensitive skin and avoid parabens, as this seems to make my skin more reactive.  I have tried the following products with little gain:

Sunday Riley Luna night oil: used nightly for two months with no improvement

Sunday Riley good genes: used every three nights due to sensitivity, saw little improvement after three months

dermarche fulfill: used twice daily for three months with no change and no smoothing effect

dr. Brandt needles no more:  effect wore off after two hours

 

As you can see, I am willing to give a product a decent run but am becoming increasingly frustrated with poor results.  My current routine is as follows:

morning: Josie Maran Arian oil

goop sunscreen spf 50 (I am very fair skinned)

ole henrickson sheer transformation moisturizer

 

night:  ole henriksen melting cleanser removed with washcloth

ole henriksen invigorating night transformation gel

origins mega mushroom moisturizer

 

Once a  week I use Peter Thomas Roth Retinol pads.  Thanks for any and all help!  

 

9 Replies

Re: Forehead winkles and skin regimen question

I've been using the deceim ordinary retinoid for a couple of months and the most noticeable thing I saw was a change in my forehead lines (mine are the horizontal ones). I noticed it after first couple of uses. Like a big difference where I was wow this is what a retinoid can do.  I use it every 2nd or 3rd night.  I hadn't used a retinol product before this one and given the price will continue using it. For the price it's worth giving a try (like $7) or something crazy like that

Re: Forehead winkles and skin regimen question

I also just started trying a 28 day face yoga challenge with Fumiko (don't know her last name) but it's the Face Yoga Method.  I do think she has exercises for forehead lines too. Worth checking out.  I've only been doing it for a week but am impressed so far and like her as an instructor

I am using Dr. Brandt 3D filler mask. it's not really a m...

I am using Dr. Brandt 3D filler mask. it's not really a math that you wash off it's something that you leave on during the day under your foundation and acts more of a primer but it does do a lot of tightening. I must say it is a relatively new product for me but I saw results immediately. My skin looks flawless. it's not too heavy and I can actually feel it tightening. Btw I am 42.

Re: Forehead winkles and skin regimen question

@SweetieBelle I rec reading Paula Begoun's "Beauty Bible" for anti-aging skin info.  The last publication was years ago, but the foundation of the info is solid.  I would definitely use a retinol product, as well as antioxidants and AHA.  If you feel like you are getting nowhere, then see if your MD will prescribe a retinoid (Retin-A; generic Tretinoin).  You can check out reviews at beautypedia.com.

 

Re: Forehead winkles and skin regimen question

Hi, greeneyedgirl107,

  thanks for the info, I will definitely check it out!

Re: Forehead winkles and skin regimen question

Hi @SweetieBelle!  I'm 37 and I have similar skin- dry, with occasional hormonal breakouts and very sensitive.  Honestly, once you get to be near or around 40, I think most of us need stronger stuff than what you've tried. Since you're not getting great results with the products you're trying, my advice would be to see a dermatologist and go with a prescription retinoid and look into laser treatments, etc. I'm a big fan of laser (I've been doing it since my late 20s) and I'm also a big believer in retinoids, which really have the science to back up anti-aging claims.  

 

I know you've tried the Luna and Peter Thomas Roth, which contain retinol, but I would suggest trying a different formulation and/or concentration and keep working your way up to see better results.  This might not be a popular opinion here, but many brands carried at Sephora simply don't compete in anti-aging effectiveness against skincare you get by prescription or from a cosmeceuticals line.  Again, a derm can prescribe one for you, but there are more effective/stronger retinol products over the counter than Luna/PTR and you could try those too.  My suggestion would be to look into the SkinMedica line- their retinol products are FANTASTIC and paraben-free. You can start with a lower percentage and see how you do.  Start with the .25, every other night.  There's a lot of places to buy SkinMedica online, but you need to make sure you go through an authorized seller because there's also a lot of counterfeit products out there.  I personally like SkinCareRX because they often have codes for around 30 percent off.  There's other outlets too (Dermstore, etc.), so I would just go with whatever authorized retailer you can find with the best discount!

 

Alternatively, you could also look into Differin (available at Ulta, Amazon, Target, drugstores, etc), a former prescription that is now over the counter (I'm not sure on paraben status).  It's marketed to acne sufferers (so it might help with the hormonal breakouts), but it has shown effectiveness in combating aging as well even if it's not marketed that way.

 

The important thing to remember with any topical anti-aging product is that it will take time. Retinoids are not a quick fix, but their effectiveness is undeniable and should be part of any anti-aging regimen if your skin can handle them.  And, while you might see some improvement in two months, three months is really the minimum for improvement (because of skin turnover rate) and it can take longer than three months to see major improvement.  If you want a quicker fix, lasers and injectables are really the only way.

 

Also, and please take this with a grain of salt as you are really the only one who knows what your skin tolerates, but I would probably avoid Ole Henricksen and Origins products if your skin is the least bit reactive, as you say.  Both lines use a lot of essential oils, which really can harm your skin.  YMMV, but I think it's something to consider in assessing your current routine.  Your skin might be truly sensitive, or it might be just sensitized (which essential oils can do).  I would also check out some skincare bloggers like Caroline Hirons or YouTubers like HotandFlashy and Brianna Stanko. They are all pretty tuned in when it comes to anti-aging routines.  Even if you don't like or follow all of their advice, you might get some useful tips.

 

ETA: Antioxidants!  You need them and I would suggest a very good C serum (if your skin likes it) and/or green tea.  There's a bunch more and a combo of them is usually the best bet, but we all need them to protect our skin and combat aging.

Re: Forehead winkles and skin regimen question

Hi, rose41,

Thanks so much for the clarity and honesty of your response.  You give me hope for my sensitive skin!

 

 

Re: Forehead winkles and skin regimen question

Hi, rose41,

  Thanks so much for your very thoughtful advice!  I have never heard of Differin and I will definitely check this out.  Thanks for the suggestions for bloggers to follow as well.  One quick question: you mentioned the Vitamin C/green tea info: any suggestions?  And would you mind sharing a bit of your routine?  You seem quite knowledgeable and I really appreciate all of your help.  Have a great day!

Re: Forehead winkles and skin regimen question

Hi @SweetieBelle!

 

Sorry for the delay in responding- I was away from my computer today.  I want to second what @greeneyedgirl107 said about Paula Begoun.  I think she has great advice (and some great products).  If you can't get her book, she has updated articles and info on her website that are just as helpful.  If you're curious about skincare products, I think her Beautypedia reviews are a good starting point, as was already suggested.  As with anything, I don't agree with everything she says, but her book years ago started me down a path to better skin.  I also really like the articles on Dr. Cynthia Bailey's website.  She's a dermatologist out of California and she has rosacea so she talks a lot about sensitive skin.

 

I think there's quite a lot of good antioxidant products out there and it might be a matter of trial and error to find what works for you.  I should specify that my skin is truly very sensitive and picky (I have rosacea), so just because something doesn't work for me doesn't mean it's not a good product.

 

For Vitamin C, most dermatologists love Skinceuticals CE Ferulic, which is a great (though expensive) product.  I've also used Drunk Elephant's Vitamin C (available at Sephora, but also available elsewhere for a discount sometimes- check Dermstore and B-glowing for coupons).  Neither one of these really agreed with my skin, but I think they are both well-formulated products that work for many.  I've also heard great things about Mad Hippie's Vitamin C serum, but I haven't used it before.  It's more affordable as well. My personal Vitamin C of choice is from SkinMedica- it's slightly weaker than Skinceuticals, Drunk Elephant, etc. and comes in a silicone base (as opposed to a more watery format like the others I mentioned).  I can't use a C serum every single day or if my skin is acting up, but I think I might be in the minority on this front.  There's a bunch of other C serums, these are just the ones I know best!

 

As for green tea, it's really my HG antioxidant.  It's great for people who can't tolerate Vitamin C.  My skin loves it and it's always calming. I use it at least once a day, if not twice.  My favorite, far and away, is Replenix's Power of Three cream, which contains green tea, caffeine, and resveratrol, all potent antioxidants.  They also make a serum formulation with similar ingredients, but my favorite is the cream (personal preference).  I can't say I've tested a bunch of other green tea products because Replenix's cream just worked for me so I haven't explored further.  I get the Replenix from Skincarerx (again, because of discounts), but there are other places to get it (just make sure it's authorized- I once bought it on Amazon and it was a fake!).  I've also bought products on Ariva's website with discount codes and had good success.

 

Paula's Choice makes some good products and they have a great return policy, so they might be a good place to try different ingredients/types of products and see what works for you.  I've used her antioxidant serums and her retinol serum with great success in the past.  I've just found some other products that better work for me now.

 

In any case, here's a brief summation of my routine.  Again, I've got rosacea, so I use prescription creams for that, and, admittedly, my routine can seem a little intense because I am a skincare obsessive who has had a lot of skin issues in the past.  My routine fluctuates based on my skin's finicky needs too.  

 

For in-office dermatologist procedures, I've tried many, many lasers and light-based therapies.  What will work for you is really dependent on your individual skin because they all do different things.  I think if you go this route, you'll have to talk to a dermatologist who can really assess your needs.  I also get fillers about once a year and have for 11 years (genetically, I have less volume in the tear trough area, so this isn't as much for aging).  I also occasionally get neurotoxins in the elevens and in my forehead (I get a tiny amount to avoid looking frozen).  My neurotoxin of choice is Dysport, but I've also tried Botox and Xeomin.  This is really a matter of personal preference- they all have different benefits and work differently for different people.  I probably get a touch-up every 4-5 months and I think it's helped as a preventive for my elevens.

 

At home, I do LED treatments (red light), which is mostly for my rosacea, but I do think it helps a bit with signs of aging.  I started doing these treatments at a spa and realized it was more cost-effective to buy a device and do it at home. As for products, here's my current list (I rotate these based on my needs):

 

Prescriptions (for rosacea): Soolantra (night) and Elidel (whenever I need it)

 

Face Wash: Paula's Choice (PC) Gentle Touch Makeup Remover, Bobbi Brown Instant Long-Wear Makeup Makeup Remover, Clinique "Take the Day Off" cleansing balm, PC Resist Optimal Results Hydrating Cleanser, Cerave Hydrating Cleanser

 

Face Toner: PC Skin Recovery Enriched Calming Toner (I love this so much!), PC Resist Advanced Replenishing Toner

 

Sunscreen: TIZO Ultra Zinc (this is a 20 percent zinc sunscreen, which I love because my skin doesn't handle chemical sunscreens)

 

Main Antioxidants: Replenix Power of Three Cream (love, love, love) and SkinMedica Vitamin C+E Complex

 

Hydrators/Moisture (this can vary based on the season, but these are my summer products): SkinMedica Hydrating Complex or SkinMedica HA5 Rejuvenating Hydrator (my skin is dry and does well with Hyaluronic Acid), Pure Marula Oil (Drunk Elephant got me started on this, but I think Acure Organics Marula is just as good, for a fraction of the price)

 

Treatments: SkinMedica TNS Essential Serum or Recovery Complex (This contains growth factors and can be controversial-- it works for me, but I know others are more wary about growth factors.), SkinMedica TNS eye repair (it's awesome, but I hate that it's in a jar), SkinMedica Retinol .25 or .5 or Differin (I alternate days and don't always use every single day)

 

Exfoliants: PC Skin Perfecting 8% AHA Gel or SkinMedica GlyPro Antioxidant Serum, dabble with Drunk Elephant's T.L.C. Night Serum (I think this is good, but my skin doesn't love BHA and this contains BHA along with the AHA)-- I use these once or twice a week

 

Whew!  I think that's it.  I know this might seem a little crazy or intense, but I don't use all of this at the same time and I do rotate.  But don't feel overwhelmed-- there are people with much simpler routines who do very well.  Since you're working on building a routine, my advice would be to start with basics: a gentle cleanser (this isn't where you need to spend your money since it doesn't stay on the skin long), a good retinol that your skin tolerates, antioxidants in some (or multiple!) forms, an exfoliant (AHA or BHA, or both- whatever your skin likes), and moisturizer of some sort (if you're not getting moisture from your other products).  It seems you have a sunscreen you like so stick with if it works!  And, if the Argan oil is working for you, keep at it too.

 

I'd also advise trying things little by little if you're at all concerned about reactivity so you know what works for you and doesn't work.  I've made the mistake of trying multiple new things at once and then had a reaction and didn't know what was causing it.  Also, and I think you already know this since you were careful to cut back on the Good Genes when you had irritation, it's important to start slow with retinol or AHA/BHA and not overwhelm your skin.  You don't want to strip your skin's barrier, which just makes lines look worse (been there too).

 

Maybe this is silly too, but have fun with your skincare routine (perhaps I'm weird, but I do)!  Don't get discouraged if something doesn't work for you- there's so many products out there now, you will find products that work, I promise.  If I can find stuff for my picky sensitive skin, you can too! 

 

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