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Skincare 101: Discussions, Questions and All

This is a place to discuss everything skincare.


- Have a question about a product (Or type of product)

- Need recommendations

- Learned a new tip or trick you want to share with fellow skincare junkies

- New to skincare and lost about where to start

- Have a skincare emergency ( Bad reaction, broken dropper, lost lid of a jar)


Images From top left to clockwise (Essencz, Garnier, Men's Fitness, Harper Bazaar)


We have some great thread about skincare but I feel we don't have a general place to discuss skincare which is open for everything from lowend products to luxury skincare. 


Other skincare threads you may like to explore




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I'm also very sensitive underneath my eyes. You may be onto something in your idea to try a gel based formula, but I've not tried any on your list.


After becoming sensitive to almost every eye cream, I stumbled onto one that was at my health food store, Alaffia Everyday Coconut Replenishing Eye Cream. It's lighter weight than other eye creams and has no nasty ingredients like fragrances or irritants (to me, personally) like retinols or vitamin C:


I never thought I'd end up being able to use an eye cream that costs under $10. No irritation at all, although I don't apply it directly to my lids. (If my lids get super dry, I find applying some jojoba oil on them at night helps out a lot.)


Ingredients in eye cream: Carica papaya (Papaya) Aqueous Extract, Cocos nucifera (Coconut) Water*, Cocos nucifera (Coconut) Oil*, Pentadesma butyracea (Kpagnan) Butter, Aloe barbadensis (Aloe Vera) Leaf Juice, Emulsifying Wax, Glycerin, Stearic Acid, Argania spinosa (Argan) Oil, Aromatic  Cocos nucifera (Coconut) Extract, Phenoxyethanol, Potassium Sorbate, Ascorbic  Acid. *Certified Fair Trade by IMO



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Thank you to you skincare gods for sharing your knowledge Smiley Happy


I have a sort of general long do you wait between each of your skin care steps before progressing to the next? I always apply my toner or essence right after cleansing, then layering on any serums/actives before my moisturizer than lastly oils (PM only, no oils for me during the day because then I look like a greasy hot dog) or creams.


I've been waiting till my essence or toner dries before tapping in my serums, then waiting till the serums are no longer tacky before layering on another one (if I'm doing multiples). All told, maybe only a couple of minutes or less, depending on how dehydrated my skin is. But I'm curious if I'm doing it wrong....either too quickly or too slowly?


And for those of you that use Odacite products, where in the steps do you incorporate them, either alone or mixed in with something else?


Thank you!


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@MissPuff I think you are doing it right. A couple of minutes between any two products are usually enough. You get a feeling one product is nicely absorbed, you can apply next shortly after that. Though if you have extra time on your hands, you can leave about 5 minutes between two steps.

I use toner right after washing my face. In morning I give it time to completely dry and a few extra minutes before applying serum. At night since my oil based serum is recommended to be used when skin is still damp, so I apply it right after toner or mist on moist skin. Next steps are mostly 5 - 10 minutes apart because I have to see to the kids on the side so it's not a hardship for me to leave extra time between steps. It is more like I steal time to apply skin care while helping kids get ready for school or bed. Lol

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Same here! Who knew momming was so effective for spacing a skincare routine??

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@MissPuff I do Odacite as my serum step, both during AM and PM.


I typically;

- cleanse

- tone

- mist

- massage in Odacite 

- if I'm particularly dehydrated I will follow with a moisturizer


Some people mix the Odacite serums with moisturizers to make them easier to spread, but I find if I put the few drops onto the palm of my hand and then pat onto a damp face, it's easy enough to apply.

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Love this!! Thanks for starting it @fatimamummy Smiley Happy Looking forward to finding more knowledge about different ingredients and how they work and interact here.

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Stopping by to say hello and thank you for creating this thread and sharing your thoughts. 


I have recently embarked upon some skincare soul searching and would love to get feedback from anyone with similar skincare concerns.


I have always had decent skin and never bothered with too many products or had a set routine. In college and throughout my 20s I used a mixture of vaseline, Jergens, Clean and Clear and other drugstore brand products to cleanse and moisturize my skin. I'm surprised my skin didn't react negatively to all these products. In fact it was in great shape (no pimples and very little redness). I chalk it up to genetics.


As of a couple years ago I noticed my skin began to change, for the worse. I am seeing more redness, experiencing more sensitivity and have observed a few red spots (not large pimples, just tiny red spots that are no more than a couple millimeters wide) that come and go with time. I'm not sure if these tiny red spots are due to insufficient exfoliation or are the result of some food I ate or environmental stressors. 


In response to these changes I have switched to these types of products and have noticed a slight improvement:


1. Cleanser: Shiseido Gentle Cleansing Cream or Shiseido Perfect Cleansing Oil

2. Exfoliater: Tatcha Rice Enzyme Powder or DDG Peel Pads, or M61 Power Glow Peel

3. Oil: Darphin Chamomile or Rose Aromatic Care 

4. Moisturizer: Several that vary on the day (Fresh Rose Deep Hydration Face Cream, M61 Hydroboost Cream, Tatcha Supple Silk Cream, to name a few).


My question for anyone that may have experienced this sudden change is how did you respond to it and would you attribute this to hormonal changes? 


Side note: I drink a lot of water, rarely drink alcohol, don't smoke, get roughly 8 hours of sleep a night.

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hi @trishavt ! i'm gonna sound like a broken record here. i think your new routine sounds lovely. i'd add an additional hydrating serum, though. regardless of how much water we drink / our healthy life style choices, our skin can be dehydrated. skin is the first thing our body leeches water from the moment it needs it. and that's just internal factors--add external factors like air quality, and it's a double edge sword. SO ! yeah, i'd add a serum for dehydration and see if you feel any improvement in your redness and sensitivity. 


my 2 favorites--ones i've seen genuine improvement when i use them--are MURAD hydro dynamic quenching essence (it says 'essence' but use as a serum, before your oil), and VICHY aqualia thermal serum. both of these products give me instant and sustained relief from the many complications that arise from skin dehydration (and i feel like they make my other products--from oils to moisturizers to makeup--work even better, too). the MURAD is not exactly cheap and does not last long (6 weeks at best with regular use). if money is no object, i'd recommend still trying it, helping you get over that dehydration 'hump' and see if it brings you any relief / change. the VICHY serum, though, is half the price and equally effective (if not quite as lovely in its ingredients list as the MURAD). 


i hope this helps. please keep me posted !


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@jemly Thank you very much for your response and suggestions. I haven't had much success with essences in the past (I've tried an array of moderately priced to high end essences), but I will give these a shot thanks to your glowing review.


Out of curiosity what are some of your preferred oils? Thats one area that I'm open to exploring because my skin is generally more tolerant of oils.

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@trishavt check out CLARINS blue orchid oil. it's formulated for dehydration (and i find particularly lovely when used in conjunction with a hydrating serum).


i'm pretty confident that the MURAD product would've been called a 'serum' had it been made/released 5 years ago. essences were becoming a big(ger) thing when this thing was released, so i see the choice of words more of a marketing decision than one indicative of what the product is. it's a serum Smiley Wink

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@jemly Thank you! I appreciate the information.

I got a deluxe sample of a Clarins Body Tonic Oil sometime ago and just finished it (Id been using it on my face as well and it soaked it all up) so this is perfect timing.


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I've been lurking on this thread for a few days and I finally jumped in the car with the kids today to head to Ulta (closer) to get the MURAD essence and Blue Orchid Oil.  I was reaching for the oil when a rep for a another brand stopped me and started asking me why I was getting that and what i was using it for and trying to move me somewhere else.  I finally got frustrated and said I came for the oil and I'm buying the oil.  This is why I shop online.  Anyway.  I'm super excited to try this tonight!  I have super dehydrated skin...mainly due to the cold winter and my wine hobby.  Must repair!

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@mspera80 I had a very similar experience a few weeks ago. I was looking for Dr Jart's balm (my go to-must have product for dry skin. It helped me treat some mild eczema). As I was searching for the item, a brand rep approached me and tried to persuade me to try Kate Somerville. I finally said  "'I'm not interested in that brand. I am here for a Dr. Jart's product and thats all I'm buying." Her tone and facial expression changed to an aggressive one and she asked me "What don't you like about the Kate Somerville brand? Have you even tried it?" in a haughty manner.


I'm used to this behavior because I work in a male dominated field (IT) so I laughed and said "I don't have time for this" and left the store. Like you, I prefer to shop online for this reason.

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@mspera80 i'm thrilled to hear this !! let me know if you get on, or if you have any issues. (also, how annoying of that brand rep, but heck yeah to you for standing your ground !!).

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Hi @jemly You have wonderful envy inducing skin so I want to follow your suggestion of Hydrating serum. I went ahead to check the ingredients of Vichy aqualia thermal serum and I am a little bummed to see water, Glycerin and Silicon listed as top three ingredients. It also includes fragrance which is a deal breaker for me. Carolina Huron suggested Hylamide as a alternate so I just want your opinion about Hylamide Booster low molecular HA. I personally prefer natural ingredient and unscented products. Silicon isn't a big issue for me as my skin isn't sensitive but it along with fragrance can be a problem for those who are dealing with irritated sensitive skin. 

In short what are your thoughts about this Hylamide Booster. Do you think it is a good replacement of Vichy thermal serum for those of us who want to get the maximum hydration but want to avoid silicon and fragrance?

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i've tried the HYLAMIDE booster low molecular HA. i didn't hate it. but it didn't floor me. i feel like the VICHY changes my skin for the better, while the hylamide was more of a slow burn (it didn't change my skin but it maintained moisture levels). and it's certainly not any more 'natural' than the vichy. 


unless you're allergic, having glycerin at the top of the ingredients list for a product that purports to be hydrating is a good thing. the glycols and fragrance can be concerning to some, and inconsequential to others. but that's just the nature of skin / and reactive skin in particular (all skins are different).


i know that fragrance as an ingredient is the concern here, but for whatever it's worth the VICHY has basically no scent (maybe the faintest of a suggestion). i think the fragrance element is to neutralize the natural fragrance of the stuff. 'fragrance' in general is a legal catch-all term for anything that serves the purpose (kind of like seeing 'natural flavors' on a food ingredients list). not all fragrance is the same. obviously you don't want to do anything you know will cause your skin irritation. i've recently seen, though, many people's skin transformed by the introduction of this serum--i'd be remiss to not, at least, suggest it.

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Thank you @lylysa and @Mochapj . My knowledge about the ingredients is limited so I wanted maximum expert opinion along with @jemly 's suggestions which are always very helpful.

Since most of the people including myself have dehydration as the main skin problem so it is good we have a variety of product recommendations. 

For myself fragrance in skincare products some times bothers my skin so I avoid scented products. Having multiple products to choose from provides more flexibility of choice.



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Fragrance can be so tricky, for example, added fragrance/perfumes in products can be irritating; however, even if an item doesn't have added scents, it may have one stemming from the ingredients used (lavender, rosemary, etc.) and if these are too strong they may irritate someone's senses. Some products that are marked as "unscented" may also have added components to help mask scents, but may also run the risk of irritating skin as it's another foreign component. 


One day we will have smell-o-vision, and when that day comes, we'll be able to catch a whiff of an item much easier Smiley Tongue.


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True @lylysa As I mentioned fragrance in some products bothers my skin while others work ok. I try to avoid it just to be on the safe side 😁

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Better to be safe than sorry! Smiley Very Happy

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*fatimamummy, carried over from the PM you sent me*


I haven't tried the Vichy or Hylamide products so I can't weigh in directly on their texture, consistency, or their wearability; however, going from their ingredient breakdown, the Hylamide booster does appear a bit more fortified while the Vichy formula is more simplistic. Both incorporate sodium hyaluronate which has now become a big "it" ingredient in the skin care world due to its ability to absorb 1000x its molecular weight in moisture from the atmosphere and thus not only hydrate, but "plump" the skin (think of how a dried sponge "expands" and becomes less shriveled when wet versus dry) to even then translate to lines or rough areas appearing smoother. 


Both utilize polysaccharides to further aid in retaining moisture and provide anti-oxidant properties (Vichy uses red algea and Hylamide uses mushroom extract), but the Hylamide also uses tamarind extract, with also aids in moisture retention and protects cellular tissue as well as hydrolyzed yeast which also supports that function (think of how yeast is incorporate into bread recipes to help draw moisture and thus rise).


Other serums/boosters to consider to bump up hydration are Dr. Jart's Ceramidin Liquid and DDG's Clinical Concentrate Hydration Booster:


Both formulas incorporate anti-oxidants, gentle brightening and calming ingredients, and humectants, but what sets both apart from the Vichy and Hylamide formulas is that they also incoporate ceramides. Ceramides work hand in hand with humectants like sodium hyaluronate beautifully because they focus on improving moisture and lipid retention within cellular tissue. This way all the moisturizing components that a serum or booster is bringing into the skin can be more effectively and efficiently processed and utilized. If skin is already starting off with an uphill battle at staying hydrated, merely inundating it with a myriad of hydrating ingredients may not be the best if skin can't even absorb everything down. Ceramides help to change this to allow skin to not only absorb and make use of those components better, but also then hold onto them for longer periods of time.


Facial oils are another great aspect to quickly boost moisture in skin if a traditional moisturizer (gel, cream, or lotion) isn't enough. A drop or two applied on regions as is after the moisturizer can further  target specific regions and give a dose of essential fatty acids that will moisturize skin quickly.


I know silicone and dimethicone has gotten a lot of bad press, and while there are some out there who have a legit allergy or sensitivity to these components, there is a genuine reason why the skin care and beauty world continue to utilize them. Silicone and dimethicone is used as a smoothing agent as well as a protectant. It's very rare that the grade of silicone or dimethicone used in beauty products are small enough to where they sink into pores and become problematic, instead they rest atop skin to help target texture and work to "seal" in the beneficial properties of a product. In order to give a product that "slip" or carrier ability to deliver those active ingredients in skin, silicone and dimethicone is used. Since they rest atop, the issue becomes that without proper cleansing, that beneficial barrier that is formed can also then block out much needed components to skin and then trap oil or debris (think of how if you'd over did it with a silky, shine serum on hair suddenly no matter what you put on top, it seems hair repels it, this can then make the hair locked out from much needed moisture and then be problematic to maintain shape and integrity). There are so many forms of silicone utilized in the beauty world and even the food world (items like red wine, whole grain bread, brown rice, bananas, and spinach also contain silicon) and every day life (for example, prosthetics are from silicone). The approach can be very individual to any ingredient, so doing one's due diligence will be the best bet, but no matter what, starting off with properly clean skin can factor in greatly to how else everything layers (if you start with skin that isn't washed, is super oily, and riddled with bacteria it won't matter how efficient or great the skin care or cosmetic items are, they won't serve as well to skin that doesn't have those road blocks to start with).