Sunday Riley Help!

[xsingthesorrowx]

I’ve recently started using Good Genes and I’ve been applying it at night before my moisturizer- but I just ordered JUNO oil and C.E.O. And I have NO IDEA how to use them properly. I was told good genes should be used in the AM but I don’t like to use sunscreen (I KNOW ok? Lol) and I use a B.B. Cream with SPF but I don’t want to become sensitive to sunlight- I’m 30 and I’ve never had a sun “burn” only a “tan”(which I know is technically a burn). I’m confused what to do :(. I don’t like too many layers on my skin bc they never seem to sink in and always “pill” on my face.

[heartsmyface]

@xsingthesorrowx @Anything with ahas /bhas, retinol, or exfoliants is going to make your skin photosensitive.   The only way to avoid photo sensitivity is not to use products containing those ingredients and even then you’re getting cumulative unseen UV damage every day you don’t wear sunscreen rain or shine.  
May I ask what your skincare goals are?  What are you hoping to accomplish through your skincare?  And why is sunscreen a no for you?  Perhaps we can work around any issues you may have with it.  
I only ask because sunscreen is THE best skincare product for preventing fine lines and wrinkles.  

pilling occurs when you mix an oil based product with a water based product in combination with a rubbing motion and not necessarily from layering too many products.  

[Anonymous]

So I joined this community JUST to reply to your question. Besides the simple answer to your question, which would be to either alternate nights with good genes one night, then Luna the next, and use Juno after those have completely dried.... or use good genes in the morning, Luna at night, and again use Juno after each one dries completely. 

I would think this would be obvious considering what the rules of skincare tell you to do....but I realize that by you saying you don’t use sunscreen, that you must not really care about your skin. You might as well just mix all of these together and then slather them all over your face. You do realize that by not using sunscreen, you are literally undoing everything you’re doing with any skincare item (except maybe cleansing, you do that right?). It’s appalling that it’s 2020 and people don’t realize that not only is sunscreen important, but if there was only one thing you could do for your skin, sunscreen would be the best thing. But hey, I guess you’ll learn eventually. Besides the fact that the sun can leave sunspots, cause wrinkles, and burn you. Unprotected skin can also leave scars, but it will literally cause your blood vessels to burst, causing dark circles, and just BAD SKIN. 

You want a REAL tip? Stop spending 100s of dollars on shiny bottles of serums and skin oils, and spend $20 on some good sunscreen. I know this might sound a little harsh, but you set yourself up for this. 

p.s.  your skin can thank me later. 

[treestar86]

yes, but many ppl are wary of the chemicals in sunscreen, and "clean" sunscreen is pricier.  it was just in the news about the FDA testing sunscreen and finding the chemicals in the body even after just 1 use...which they say isn't necessarily harmful, but that they'll need to do further testing.  but uh, it's probably better to not have such chemicals in your body.  and like anything else, you don't really know the effects until ppl have been using them for years, and in the past ppl didn't really use it as much, except for in the summer, vs. now where they tell you to wear it all the time bc we've destroyed the environment.  so I don't think it's really clear that the benefits outweigh the risks.

[quspork]

What? Of course the benefits outweigh the risks, @treestar86. Ask anyone who has battled skin cancer or those who have survived their loved ones' death because of it. Even in response to the study you're talking about, the FDA and council of dermatologists still recommend wearing sunscreen. Just because further study of something is needed that doesn't mean that thing is harmful or should no longer be used.

[treestar86]

@quspork  yeah, I'm just saying that we don't know the long-term effects of the chemicals in sunscreen, neither does the FDA, which is why they say they'll need to do further studies.  so of course they're going to still recommend sunscreen, because as far as we/they know, as of now, the protection outweighs the unknown risks.  but that's because there isn't information on the long-term effects.  and let's remember that they recommended smoking in the past, so I don't think we should automatically believe what the powers that be tell us.  but everyone's free to make their own decisions.

[heartsmyface]

@treestar86 @quspork @WinglessOne @xsingthesorrowx @Anonymous   I’m just going to pop in and recommend that people don’t just take into consideration  the results from one  organization(the FDA) Quite  honestly, the FDAs safety standards are not high enough.   Sunscreens from Europe and Japan are far superior.  Look up EWG dot Org for Europe and also The Pharmaceuticals and Medical Devices Agency for Japan.   People should read studies from countries ALL OVER THE WORLD before making blanket statements on the safety of sunscreen vs the risks.  There are better and far more researched ingredients out there than what’s typically available in the US.  One word- politics.  

The benefits of sunscreen far outweigh the risks- with not just wrinkles and premature aging but with DNA damage from UVA rays causing skin cancer.  You get UV damage from just sitting indoors with the curtains drawn, or driving in your car unprotected.  As a melanoma survivor I’m a little sensitive to the subject and have done a fair share of research.  

[quspork]

@treestar86  all sunscreen (and actually everything) is made up of chemicals. There are several very specific ingredients found in chemical sunscreen referenced in that study. Of course everyone should do what they are comfortable with as far as avoiding or not those specific chemicals. However not knowing the long-term effects, which may very well be completely benign, does not negate what we already know- that using sunscreen can save lives. If someone is concerned about those particular ingredients, they should look for mineral/physical sunscreen for adequate protection.

[treestar86]

@quspork  yes, but those are usually at least twice the price of regular sunscreen, as I mentioned as one reason ppl don't wear it.  and I'm not saying to go lay out in the sun, and agree that per this topic, if you use certain ingredients then you should use sunscreen.  many things were recommended, before they found out the effects of them; such as a low fat diet in the 90's.  keto was big, but now ppl say it gives you heart disease.  my point remains that we really don't know anything, until we know.  'time will tell', as they say.

[WinglessOne]

@treestar86  @quspork 

I haven’t seen many mineral sunscreens that cost twice as much as many chemical sunscreens. Use Supergoop as an example: price out their chemical sunscreens per ounce, then price out their mineral sunscreens. Coola and EltaMD are 2 other brands that make both types of sunscreens. CoTZ only makes mineral sunscreens, and they’re less expensive than all 3 of the other brands I mentioned. And I haven’t even done that price comparison on more readily available “drugstore” brands like Aveeno and Neutrogena. I have noticed that more brands are reformulating their chemical sunscreens to be more coral reef friendly; Supergoop recently updated Unseen Sunscreen’s formula, for instance. But anyway, I haven’t seen huge price differences between a brand’s physical and chemical sunscreens. 

And sure, the medical field may not know the longterm effects of certain sunscreen chemicals. I get what you’re saying, @treestar86. But what IS known today is that exposure to UV rays can cause skin cancer. Now, folks do have alternatives to chemical and mineral sunscreens... for instance, they can keep their skin covered with UV-protective clothing, large sunglasses, and a wide brimmed hat. They can also stay out of sunlight all day. (Some people must do those things because their skin is sensitive to certain sunscreen ingredients—kinda like how I can’t use benzoyl peroxide because I’m allergic to it.) For folks who don’t want to do those things, not using sunscreen is tempting fate. 🤷‍♀️ It’s a choice between a strong chance of getting cancer (and/or less serious skin damage caused by the sun) or possibly getting some medical condition that hasn’t yet been undeniably linked to sunscreen ingredients. To me, that choice is a no-brainer. But people are, of course, free to do whatever they want with their own skin. 

Anyone who uses an AHA at any time of day or night should also take precautions to avoid UV exposure: use sunscreen during daylight hours year round, or wear protective clothing to reduce the amount of exposed skin, or stay completely out of the sun. 

[Anonymous]

I'm late to the party, but hoping someone is still following this post and responds. I agree with the use of sunscreen. I have quite a few, and I've been struggling to find one that doesn't minimize the gains i see after applying these pricy products or feel heavy. I recently began using the Sunday Riley Good Genes all-in-one lactic acid treatment and CEO glow vitamin C turmeric face oil (those are the two products I started with). I landed here looking for advice on Sunday's product usage, but sunscreen is the bottom line necessity. The COOLA spf30 mineral sun silk cream is drying for me this winter. My nasal labial lines look deeper after applying, and I use after the CEO glow oil absorbs. During the summer I gravitated toward CeraVe skin renewing day cream, but I felt the added $$ for encapsulated retinol was waisted. I was surprised La Roche Posay sunscreen was a👎🏼 for me. 

Many of the moisturizer/spf combos i find have max spf 15, like Clinique Smart (my main complaint with Clinique was needing to add stronger spf daily). I'm slowly transitioning from Clinique to Sunday Riley, if I figure out a routine with addition of a couple more Sunday products and continue to see benefits.

I do feel I'm needing a moisturizer with the current products I'm using from Sunday. @WinglessOne  Is there a sunscreen you, or anyone noticing my post, would suggest? Is there one that plays well over other products, doesn't set in lines or pores, or reduce positive improvements I see after skincare products are applied?  I also seem to get breakouts from sunscreens. Neutrogena ultra sheer spf 70 liquid (water resistant & used before workouts) is most painful to the eyes too. I know I've dumped a lot here. I want a great sunscreen product. 

[quspork]

Agreed, @WinglessOne - I've found many physical sunscreens that are just as affordable as chemical ones. And there are lots of options that can serve as alternatives to using the specific chemicals referenced in the aforementioned study. Staying out of the sun as much as possible, @treestar86 is definitely a good option, it just unfortunately isn't realistic for everyone. Having watched several family members and friends battle skin cancer, I will definitely take my chances with any long-term effects that may or may not exist and promote sunscreen to everyone, but of course you should make the best decision for you. 

[treestar86]

thanks @quspork  I've never done well w/sun, it gives me a headache and I get overheated.  and I live in the NW where it's cloudy and rainy anyway.  but yeah, I don't think ppl should be laying out in sun w/out clothing or sunscreen.

[treestar86]

@WinglessOne  I tend to stay out of the sun anyway, and agree that it's better to use natural methods such as clothing, as they did in the old days, or staying out of the sun altogether.  I've also been wanting to get a parasol. 😄  I've only recently become more interested/vigilant bc of getting into the whole anti-aging/skincare thing, as many others have I'm sure.  So I agree that you should wear it on your face anyway (usually the only part exposed, for me most of the year), if you're interested in anti-aging, especially if you're using certain products.  And as a smaller area, it'd be easier to use a "better"/more expensive sunscreen.  I just never got wearing like a tiny bikini and then having to cover your entire body in sunscreen, lol.  Just doesn't make sense to me.

[heartsmyface]

@treestar86   I love parasols.  I have a few both on the plain and frilly side.  I find they’re super cute and make me feel all fancy on top of adding extra protection.  I don’t know why more people don’t use them. 

[treestar86]

@heartsmyface  yes, I always thought they were so fancy and ladylike, but then I always wish it was the old days anyway.  yes it's silly, we can use them for rain, but not sun?  I guess it's bc I associate them w/the old days, when people took leisurely strolls in the park...when in this 'modern' day, it's hard to find a place to do so, and everything's so hurried, w/the small sidewalks ppl would probably be annoyed, and they don't really go with 'modern' style...but hey, maybe I'll start a trend. lol

[heartsmyface]

@treestar86  Haha, modern style is up for interpretation but I think there are some nice simple ones out there if that’s what you mean.  I’m all for frills too but I have to be in a mood.   A frilly parasol with a pair of shorts and a tee is really charming. 

[treestar86]

@heartsmyface  haha yeah, I guess I don't need a white frilly one, though it'd be nice, but I thought it would look weird w/my usual bum attire.  maybe I can find a sporty one, hahaha.

[Reg718]

I purchased the Sunday Riley Good Genes/Luna combo.  I really want to even my complexion but work on the beach.  If I use the product at night can I be exposed to the sun if I protect my skin?

[RGbrown]

@Reg718 

If by "protect my skin" you mean sunscreen, yes. Acids and retinol make your skin even more sensitive to the sun (and more damage), so it's imperative to use sunscreen daily (and reapply often if you are on the beach all day)...otherwise, Good Genes and Luna will do you more harm than good in the long run.

Retinol in particular can affect your skin for upwards of 7-10 days after application, so don't skimp on the sunscreen even if you only use Luna intermittently.

[sundayriley]

Hey there! Thank you so much for trying CEO and Juno. If you are referring to CEO Rapid Flash serum, we would recommend using CEO Rapid Flash in the morning and using Good Genes at night. If you choose to use Good Genes in the morning, the SPF in your BB cream is acceptable, but we do suggest that you reapply SPF throughout the day. Juno can be used as a last step in your routine after your moisturizer, before your moisturizer, or mixed in with it! The box suggest 5-7 drops, but we suggest using as many drops as you see fit for your skin type (if you are oily, use less, if you are dry, use more). Please let us know if this helps and if you have any more questions!