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How do you feel about BT lately?

I've read through the guidelines... again, before posting this to ensure that: - I'm Nice - I have Good netiquette - I'm not vague (These are the rules) I'm a little disappointed with BT right now; over the last couple of months, it feels like there have been several issues within the community; heart parties, multiple posts, people complaining about things, and (we'll just call it) member issues. I have a love/hate relationship with this community; I've learned so much and met some amazing people (shout out to SparkleKai, Vanillammm, Loretta, Killahbabe, Hackney, Lari, KB, Linda, Annec322, {I'm sure I'm forgetting someone... sorry- it's like an oscar speech}) but it just feels like some behaviors are allowed and tolerated while others aren't. As much as I said I was going to stay away because the community was becoming draining, I find myself back here wanting to help someone, or read something that will enable me. It's really confusing and awful. I'm still fairly new to BT, and hear about the "old BT" where everyone was nice to each other, and it was fun (sounds like the 60's), but when I joined, it wasn't so contentious and filled with (be nice, be nice) people who are different. I'm interested to see how others are feeling? Is there something we can do as a community to change this and make BT feel like a functional home again? I'm not looking to stir anything up; I'm genuinely asking for your candor and ideas. I'm sure the Mods and Candace would appreciate anything that helps their lives too.

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Aw, thank you <3

 

I agree that communication is key.  I have certainly posted things that I looked back at later and thought, "Wow, that's not how I want to represent myself."  Everyone has at some point in their lives.  But when that happens I try to make it right - either by communicating directly with the person I have wronged or, if that's not possible for whatever reason, by keeping in mind that my further communications within the community need to be better.  

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mrsb can tell you i'm not the evil sparkle some think i am Smiley Very Happy  

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evil sparkle! I like it Smiley Happy

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you know those little people that sit on your shoulder?  mine aren't people they're sparklez!!!

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And THIS is what makes BT so freaking cool! I too am an "original BT-er". Well, that's what Candace tells me at least Smiley Tongue But I didn't start posting until the end of October 2013. When I got here, there were obvious friendships and HoF-ers who were respected and cool and had a ton of hearts. But I didn't let that intimidate me or make me upset. I was just myself. And guess what? When I gave myself the freedom to be me, people liked it. I participated in the heart parties, made jokes, and started a lovely mustache craze on BT. I have catchphrases and photoshop pictures that people identify with me. People will care to get to know you if you're open to it. It's the people who show up acting like they know it all that get the flack - and I get it. Sometimes I give those kinds of people sh!t too. But I can guarantee if you come to one of my heart/mustache/Cheers parties and post in the spirit of fun, I will give you a heart. I don't care if your brand new, we don't get along, whatever. If you've got a good attitude in that moment, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. And I believe that's what most people here do. Just don't be shady/steal a TSB/talk out of your @rse and you'll be fine. Smiley Tongue

 

Posting this now it looks like I'm directing this to Emma, but I'm not. Her post just inspired me to post. Emma can sit with me any day! In fact, she has her own chair! Smiley Very Happy

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Girl don't pretend you weren't directing that first line at me, duh Smiley Wink Smiley Wink

 

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If I mention anything being awesome, I'm talking about you! Smiley Very Happy

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what am i chop liver?

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Pretty sure I sent you treasures from another freaking country for you, SK! Smiley Tongue I think that means you're special too! Smiley Very Happy

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I don't know what's going on too much but I have to say I agree with the clique sentiment. I don't even see it at all. I started posting Nov 2013, don't know what that makes me, and stopped posting and reading a few months ago (probably around the time the non makeup stuff was moved away from the front page). I also just jumped right in responding and people were quite nice to me. I mean, it's just like anywhere new you go in life (if you're feeling that there's a clique going on) where you are new and everyone knows each other. It takes some time and then one day you're part of it and there's the next new person. I just started a new job and everyone knows each other and hopefully in a little while I can be part of the group. It actually was easier here, though. Now that I think about it there's usually always some RAWR going on with message boards but I don't really remember that here.

Just my long way of agreeing with you lol.

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I've moderated forums (not beauty-related) online for 15+ years so I know the job of moderating is far from easy...but I'd like BT a lot better if the forum rules and terms of service were applied consistently to all members.  But it seems like the moderators pick and choose what they want to enforce and with whom.   My opinion for the two cents that it's worth.

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We all come from different backgrounds, stages in life, etc, and not everyone is going to agree with everyone else 100% of the time.  Our differences are what make us each unique.  What one finds funny, another thinks is distasteful.  We just have to accept our differences and try to be nice to each other.  It's okay to disagree.   What a boring world it would be if we all had the same likes and dislikes!  I'm glad the forums/topics allow us to engage in those topics we find interesting and to keep on scrolling past the ones that may be offensive or uninteresting to us. I just don't understand why people continue to read topics/forums that they find distasteful or rude. 

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I've been posting since 2010, and the thing that has turned me off the most is the banning issue and being admonished by mods as if we are children.  It would behoove Sephora to be a little more respectful of its customers, especially those who take the time to post on its forum.  If the thought is that anyone in this group is expendable, the company will regret that. There is a group of rouge status people who no longer are purchasing from Sephora because of the way they or their friends have been treated here and it is growing in size.  I don't know who the final "decision maker" on banning folks is, but I believe the issue needs to be re addressed.  I for one am not going to participate in a forum sponsored by a company that allows its moderators to arbitrarily ban or delete posts at their individual discretion without any standards, that's just not fair. 

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My thing is anyone can find anything offensive or rude. Most things are done in fun an I find that the random chiding is the mods bullying. They just hide behind their curtain like the wizard of oz. I have also noticed if someone disagrees with a male on here it is completely deleted and you have to be nice because they are men. I have seen numerous instances of the same comments to new women posters and they have been overlooked. Way t i discriminate 

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Yep so true. If someone wants too be offended they'll find a reason no matter how nice others may or may not be.

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I used to quietly follow the BT boards, searching for answers to all of my questions. I started asking my own questions when the search would come up empty. Everyone was kind and responsive. The HoFers were so smart and sweet. I was able to answer questions and give advice in fields of my strength too. I became enabled and more knowledgeable, plus made friends along the way. I've even had the pleasure of meeting 3 BTers in person, all of whom are amazing people.

Now, I don't feel comfortable asking for advice. I can no longer "Ask the Experts" because they are so scarce here. Giving advice has become more and more fruitless, and I don't do it as often anymore. I hate being so worried that my opinions about eye cream or makeup brushes will offend someone. I'm not sure why anyone would be so offended or outraged by me, but on multiple occasions I have responded to a question and had people reply underneath me with a rant about how wrong I am about a product. To them I say:

Rather than the community warmth I felt when I starting chiming in, I feel coldness and people on-edge, and plenty of people willing to play the victim while being aggressive. Perhaps I just don't belong here anymore.

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I started on BT very early on, and it was not the forum it is now. It has gained a lot of momentum and has more members and traffic now, lots of people popping on to see what it's all about. I think overall Sephora is probably more popular and therefore so is BT. So you can't really compare the old BT to our BT today. 

 

Sometimes I think I'm on a completely different forum when I start to read complaints about special treatment of certain members and all the issues and drama people see happening. I was just thinking to myself last week how enjoyable BT has been lately, with very little drama! I knew some members talked about leaving for another forum or something, and noticed some were not posting, but I did not realize there has been this "mass exodus" until I started seeing it referred to in posts. Unfortunate, but if some members found a better fit for themselves, then that's probably for the best.

 

I'm happy to see lots of newer members posting positive replies about BT, because there are so many fantastic, "newish" BTers who are taking this forum in a great direction! I love looking at the "What are you wearing today" makeup looks, and there are so many fun topics (Inspiration from Movies, Woman Crush Wednesday, What's your favorite feature?) that people are constantly coming up with lately!  I find the forum to be more creative than ever.

 

It seems like every 2 months or so, this same topic is discussed. And we all say the same things. Here was my reply last month, and I still stand by it:

http://community.sephora.com/t5/Off-Topic/Dear-BT-Chin-Up-I-still-love-you/td-p/1399848

 

 

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YES! exactly!! i loved that post, and I love this one!! I don't see a big problem, and if some members are that unhappy with it, they will leave no matter what enyone says. It is what we all make of it, and overall it is a great forum!  Thank you for your well-worded post!

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We quit posting and started hanging out elsewhere because we got sick and tired of being corrected and treated like children for correcting misinformation. We were treated as the bad guys and the know it all's got praised! The forum may seem drama free because there is no one around to point out when someone is wrong. The forum has taken a new direction, but it's not anything to cheer about. 

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Yes there are some great new members and there have been a bunch of new creative topics on BT- however this is a beauty forum, Beauty Talk and that should be the main topic to focus on.

 

If you have been a long time BT member, you should have noticed the "mass exodus" of 100 or so Hall of Famers. They were the old timers, the ones who were giving the best advice and who were a great group of women that made BT a community to me. Even the newer members have noticed the exodus... not sure how you missed it...

 

I definitely agree with you Calamity- it seemed like we were treated as the bad guys because we were friends with each other. It was insane how everyone just started thinking that a certain group of posters who have been the long time members of this community was automatically the mean girls and turned against them. Drama started because it was the whole old versus new mentality kicking in. A lot of people got tired of it and left- but it wasn't for the best because BT today is a not anything close to what BT was in its hayday. But you are right, Joeanne, there is no comparing the old BT to what it is today.

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Oh, I noticed some people weren't posting, but I don't keep track of who posts every day, and I'm not on every day. I'm not saying the Hall of Famers who left aren't missed, but if they were unhappy here, then I'm glad they have found a forum that is a better fit for them.

 

I'm sorry you don't think today's BT can compare to the BT of old. On that subject, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

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I don't quite understand your statement. "The forum may seem drama free because there is no one around to point out when someone is wrong."  Who is supposed to point out when anyone is wrong, and wrong about what? I don't understand this.  Are you talking about the mods?

 

As far as the forum taking a new direction, I do think it's something to cheer about. There are a lot of new, friendly faces on BT who are putting lots of work into keeping BT a great community. I'm glad that the Hall of Famers who were unhappy with BT found a place that they are satisfied with and can make their own. They are missed, of course, but everyone deserves to be on a forum where they can have fun. For me, that continues to be BeautyTalk.

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I have been on BT steadily since 2012. I am not an original BT member like a few others, but I have been on here enough to see how it has grown and changed throughout the years. In the past 6 months, BT has taken a turn for the worse.

 

When I first started there, there were less people, and some great experts on here to give advice. I know whose posts I would read if I wanted skincare advice or makeup advice, who was really into nail polish, etc. I really looked up to them and respected them both as a person and as a mentor of sorts. I wanted to be like them so I saw how they interacted and gave advice, and I followed in their footsteps because I wanted to be looked up to and respected as well. And that is one thing that I feel like is missing from BT- respect. No one respects anyone anymore.

 

Now that BT and Sephora are becoming more popular, there is a steady influx of new members all the time. Some are here just to ask basic customer service question or to get an answer for a beauty question that they have and they leave. Others try to make a name for themselves on this community anyway they can. Sometimes it is great- they are participating in threads, giving people their opinion/advice, and slowing building a presence on BT and becoming friends with us. But others have just tried pushing their way to get as many hearts and climb up the titles as fast as they can by asking questions and starting 10 new threads a day, beg for hearts, or try to take over BT anyway they can- whether it be starting a TSB, trying to be in charge of something or other, etc. That isn't the way to do it.

 

The girls that have been on here for years are now known as the "mean girls", the "clique", the "cat pack" or "the ones who jumped shipped" etc- we have become friends because of this forum. We PM each other- at first talking about makeup and beauty, and slowing building a friendship with them both on BT and on other social media sites. Some have even given out phone numbers to talk on the phone, text, and even meet up in real life. Of course we stick together because we are friends both on the community and in real life. There is no need to think that just because you aren't "one of us" that we are a "clique" excluding you. Reach out to us, talk with us, engage with us! Smiley Very Happy There are no "inside jokes"- there are all jokes that have started on BT. If you don't know what it is, ask, and we will tell you and we would love to have you join in with us with all of the fun! This is a community, not a me versus you mentality, the mean girls versus the nice girls, the old timers versus the newbies. One can't join a forum and expect there not to be already existing friendships between the members and jump to the conclusion that it is a mean girls exclusive clique and immediately on guard to have the me versus them mentality.

 

The community unfortunately has changed a lot over the past 6 months or so. I feel like the Mods have a very hard job and they can't catch all of the ramblings of the tens of thousands of people on here. Some things are bound to slip past them. However, I find it disheartening that certain members are allowed to say and do whatever they please and they are still on here, whereas a few of the older members have been banned from BT for (in my opinion) doing much less. I wish that the rules/TOS were applied to everyone equally- not arbitrarily picking favorites and letting them get away with just about everything. But yet enforcing the rules on others to the point where they are where they are basically discriminating against a few certain members.

 

BT used to be a great little community with an amazing group of people that I called my friends. However, this new BT is filled with drama, negativity, and overall just cold hearted and rude people are dominating now. I am not sure what it will take to "bring back the old BT" but I can assure you that it will never be the same again. I think we need bring a sense of community back to BT instead of the whole everyone is out for themselves. I hope it comes back... but that is why I have been on BT less and less- I don't feel the sense of community anymore. No one respects anyone else on here anymore and without respect, it will never be a community.

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I agree with you Missie, the sense of community seems very lacking. Nicely worded.

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Very well said Missie! Heart

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