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RANDOM THOUGHTS : BEAUTY (PART DEUX)

welcome back to the junk drawer of random beauty thoughts and musings. it has been nearly a year, so i think it is time for a rew RT thread ! 

 

when i'm doing my makeup in the morning, my dog sometimes throws a fit until i move his food bowl over to where i'm sitting. i'm certainly not the diva in our relationship.

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THE QUESTIONS THREAD:  http://community.sephora.com/t5/Products/The-Question-Thread-Because-not-all-questions-need-their-ow...

 

VINTAGE BEAUTY VIDEOS THREAD ! :  http://community.sephora.com/t5/Beauty-Confessions/VINTAGE-BEAUTY-VIDEOS/m-p/1826210#M69382

 

SWATCH REQUEST THREADhttp://community.sephora.com/t5/The-Swatch-Board/THE-SWATCH-REQUEST-THREAD/td-p/2223212

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On a very different level than Coco Chanel, the most common discussion of  this sort of thing on BT is probably about Jeffree Star, and whether people are willing to buy his products in spite of his bad behavior. Where I personally draw this line is, is the objectionable behavior related to the product/company, or is it something in the person's private life? In other words, will my money act as a reinforcement of the behavior I'm objecting to?

 

For example, if a company uses terrible ads (eg Axe), and I buy their products even though I object to the ads, the signal I'm sending to the company is that their ads work, and they will do more of them. On the other hand, if the founder or CEO just happens to be an in their own private life, even if it's in relation to a publicly controversial issue, my sales don't reinforce that behavior, and even a boycott won't have the effect of reducing the behavior (there's a chance it might result in that person not being CEO anymore, but they probably won't get any nicer). I feel similarly about avoiding products based on past issues vs. ongoing ones - I'm not going to draw the line there unless I believe it might happen again.

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If it helps, I think Chanel is actually owned by a Jewish family now. In my mind that mitigates some of the association with what a horrible person Coco Chanel may have been. 

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Herbivore. I loved, loved, loved their facial spray and oils and have repurchased several times through Sephora and Etsy. Yesterday, the founder chose to post a comment on the brand's Facebook page that contained anti-law enforcement rhetoric.

 

I commented on the post to express my thoughts as a frequent customer and the wife of a law enforcement officer, and my comment was immediately deleted.  I have since sent a screenshot of the original post to Sephora questioning their association with the company and a call to boycott is spreading through every law enforcement support group that I'm part of. So much nope for me. Every single product I had went directly in the trash.

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@jadeann I'm going to leave a link to an article which articulately explains why people become frustrated when all lives matter is used as a response to the black lives matter movement. I'm not going to debate you on this topic (or try to change your mind) since this is your opinion and a beauty forum is not the place discuss politics but I urge you to read the five paragraphs quoted in there. I hope you (and those reading this) have a wonderful weekend. <3

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I went to check now and only see a statement supporting Black Life Matters and a link to a Washington Post article. Was there something else? I wonder what i missed Smiley Surprised

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My apologies, I should have been more clear - the original post is not what I took offense to. There was a comment by another user, which has since been deleted by Herbivore, that simply stated that ALL lives matter and expressed her disappointment that there was no support for law enforcement mentioned. Herbivore replied to her opinion and stated that "all lives matter" is incorrect. 

 

I fully understand that supporting BLM and supporting law enforcement are not mutually exclusive ideas. My issue is that every comment showing support for law enforcement - including my own - was deleted, while others who are supportive of Herbivore's views are allowed to remain.

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@jadeann I agree that all lives matter.  If a company deletes comments saying that all lives include police lives then that position (of the company) isn't one I personally want to support.  Especially not this week.

People can read what they like into any comment here or elsewhere.  Those who decide to split tiny hairs and imply that defending one life comes at the expense of another (or group of others) aren't being fair.  If someone finds offense in a comment "all lives matter" then the problem is them (seriously).  If someone finds it offensive when someone says "police lives matter" then the problem is also with them.  The sanctity of human life is a basic in a civilized society.  Seeing people so easily toss that concept aside makes me sad.  

All lives matter.  I appreciate your post and the sacrifices your family makes.

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@meganlisa... tears. Thank you for the kind words, because they have been very few this week.

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@jadeann And isn't that a sad state of affairs.

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triestobeclassy, you did not miss anything.

 

the herbivore post was linking to a Washington Post article about Black Lives Matter, and how white people (specifically) can support the cause. this was not a post encouraging anti law enforcement sentiment. to support the cause of the oppressed and to support law enforcement are not mutually exclusive concepts.

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@jemly, my apologies, as I should have been more clear - 

the original post is not what I took offense to. There was a comment by another user, which has since been deleted by Herbivore, that simply stated that ALL lives matter and expressed her disappointment that there was no support for law enforcement mentioned. Herbivore replied to her opinion and stated that "all lives matter" is incorrect. 

 

I fully understand that supporting BLM and supporting law enforcement are not mutually exclusive ideas.

 

In fact, all comments that support law enforcement are STILL being deleted. 

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Thank you @jemly for this post.

 

It's unfortunate that people so readily equate Black Lives Matter to Anti-Law Enforcement.  

 

That's just as insulting, if not more so, than those who insist on interpreting that Black Lives Matter means that the lives of other racial/ethnic groups do not matter.

 

But I digress.

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I fully agree. I was wondering if there was anything that has been deleted already.

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Sadly a lot of companies have less than wonderful founder, but companies themselves change, even if they can't change who started them. I wouldn't feel guilty about buying products you like unless the company currently has practices or beliefs you are morally opposed to. 

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Unfortunately I cannot recommend a similar lipgloss to the Chanel as I've never tried them personally.

 

But I do have brands that I will not purchase from.  Specifically brands that refuse to consider WOC in their marketing/products.  I also have products that I purchased only to find out later that I don't agree with perspectives from owners or primary shareholders so I add them to my list.  I don't think it's anything to be ashamed of, it's just another form of self expression and withholding your dollar is one of the most powerful statements (in my opinion).

 

That being said, I also don't think you have to agree with everything a person or company says/does to purchase from them.  It all depends on what you are comfortable with really.

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Perhaps not so beauty related..

 

I'm currently at 417 hearts (I know compared to some that is not a lot) but when I first joined BT I didn't think I'll get any hearts.. To me that's a lot! BT has been my new addiction, it's the first thing I check in the morning lol

 

Thanks ladies!

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Here you go, another ❤️😊

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@DandyLionFluff Thank you!

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Woot! Here's to you reaching 500+! 

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Thanks!

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Thanks!

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