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What are you wearing today?
What makeup is everyone wearing today?   Today I am wearing:   1. Benefit Hello Flawless Foundation in Champagne 2. Benefit Coralista blush 3. TheBalm Mary-Loumanizer 4. Dior Creme de Rose Lipbalm 5. Dior Addict Lipstick in 454 6. Benefit Creaseless Cream shadow in RSVP   and under all this I am wearing Neutrogena Pure and Free Liquid Sunblock SPF 50   So c'mon now...confess!
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michelleshops
BEAUTY GURU michelleshops / BEAUTY GURU BEAUTY GURU / replied
This is my look from yesterday (today I'm just wearing moisturizer).  My makeup is a little heavy because I was going to be out late and I wanted it to last. It's my fir... see post
MysticalAngel
Amazing August Hauls!!!!
Hello BT! Today is August 1st and that means another month of hauls!   This month is the 2x/3x/4x the points for BI,VIB and ROUGE respectively. This is a great time to stock up on points lost throughout the year!   Please share your purchases! Remember, a haul is a haul no matter how big or small!
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dziggi
BEAUTY MASTER dziggi / BEAUTY MASTER BEAUTY MASTER / replied
I'm still trying to decide if I like the liner. It's good but I'm not wowed with it. Some of my creamier lipsticks still bleed while wearing it and it has a very waxy te... see post
bratknits
Spectacular September Hauls
This hasn't been started yet so I'll give it a go.  Today is the last day that SiJCP has an extra 25% off clearance so I stopped in to poke around before I start up the smoker for tonight.  I grabbed all these goodies for $30.  
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MarciaBrady
BEAUTY BOSS MarciaBrady / BEAUTY BOSS BEAUTY BOSS / replied
I agree! They're so pretty.   see post
veronika23
The Canadian Peeps!
So I'd like to maintain a board for the Canadian customers.  A place where we can share our events, promos, problems etc.   I sometimes see deals and info for Canadians and rather then posting a new convo all the time maybe we can just share on this board.   I think it would be easier to communicate with each other if we only had one board to follow.    - I recently posted that Nail Polish Canada has free shipping on any orders for a limited time.   EDITED:   Anyone interested in getting Tonymoly products you can contact them via their Canadian Facebook page to place an order.  5$ shipping, free over purchases 50$.  I think they have a store in Pacific Mall in Markham ON   Tarte now ships to Canada!    
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ivyxox
HALL OF FAMER ivyxox / HALL OF FAMER HALL OF FAMER / replied
Thank you so much! I just called to RSVP the Caudelie rouge event, the person I spoke to said there are only 4-5 spots left. So hurry up :) see post
fluffymuha
MOTD: Mask Of The Day!
I thought it'd be fun to create a thread where we share our 'mask faces'! I'd love to see how lovely & silly you all look with masks on It'd be great if you mention the name of the mask you are using as well!   I'll start things off!   Tonight I am using the Lush Magnaminty mask  
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sangova
HALL OF FAMER sangova / HALL OF FAMER HALL OF FAMER / replied
I wish I saw it yesterday :) Ok, next time :))) see post
gogreyhound
Fall is Coming!! What Are Your Big Changes You make with Skin Care and Makeup??
Happy September!  As we transition from Summer to Fall, ,what are the things you change about your makeup and skin care routines??   For me:  Usually around October my skin becomes a bit drier, so I change to more moisturizing products. They still must be Oil-free. I also use my Clinique CC Cream during the winter, as it gives me a dewy look that is too oily for Summer.   Makeup: I like the darker nail polish colors, like Black, coppers and metallics. Eyeshadows go darker, more smokey eyes and grey shadows. Lips stay about the same, although I generally wear more neutrals than bright pinks in the fall and winter So....let's share!
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shyvicki
HALL OF FAMER shyvicki / HALL OF FAMER HALL OF FAMER / replied
Since I use a BB or CC cream during the day, I skip a separate face lotion during the summer. In winter, I need more moisture and use the face lotion. It still needs to ... see post
andyhtrieu
How much is your face worth?
Someone in a Facebook group posted this question, so now I'm curious to know how much YOUR face is worth! Add the price of everything you used! (You can add skincare if you want )   Today, my face is worth $139! 
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TheSocialQuota
BEAUTY WHIZ TheSocialQuota / BEAUTY WHIZ BEAUTY WHIZ / replied
Hang on, it isn't as if you use ALL the purchase price of the product daily! C'mon, it would be more along the lines of a Venti plus extra shots and latte foam. see post
notcreative
Deals too good to pass Up!
I have been getting a lot of great emails.  Hopefully, some of these deals can come in handy for the rest of you.  Have you seen any awesome ones you want to share?  Now, is a great time to haul.      
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Kyrana
BEAUTY PRO Kyrana / BEAUTY PRO BEAUTY PRO / replied
I haven't had any LM lip products before, but for the price I couldn't pass it up.  I generally wear tints on my lips, as I was blessed with naturally pigmented lips.  I... see post
jozkid
Before and After: Transformations
How about a little spin on "what are you wearing"? I'm putting myself out there right now with a not very flattering "before" and a much more forgiving "after." Come and join me in some transformation magic!    Before:   After:   The Tools:
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crod1991
BEAUTY BUFF crod1991 / BEAUTY BUFF BEAUTY BUFF / replied
Thanks :) I like natural.  see post
FireSpinner
What kind of caterpillar is this...
So I was playing minecraft for a while (a couple hours in reality..*hangs head in shame*, paused the game and got up to get a drink, as i walked by a mirror... something was moving ON ME! Its a caterpillar! Dont get me wrong, i like caterpillars and think they are cute but i had two questions on my mind... (ps: my question mark button is not working at the moment lol)   1. HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN SITTING ON ME, watching me play minecraft!!! lol   2. What kind of caterpillar is it.    
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FireSpinner
HALL OF FAMER FireSpinner / HALL OF FAMER HALL OF FAMER / replied
lol, he's really small though, maybe an inch long. I did look up poisonous caterpillars on line and I can't find him anywhere. He does remind me of a tent or fall webwor... see post
Crazy4Sephora1
Overused Words/Phrases
Are there any phrases and/or words that you think are overused and are starting to bug the heck out of you? The one that is getting on my nerves the most is "curated". For example, "this makeup line was curated by our beauty editor." I just feel it's so over the top and pompous. Also, the word "sweet" instead of "cool". I actually heard a woman who had to be at least 75 years old using it. I laughed so hard I almost fell over.
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redwagon44
HALL OF FAMER redwagon44 / HALL OF FAMER HALL OF FAMER / replied
I know it's not a popular opinion but I can't stand the word 'hubby'. It's like the suburban version of Bae. Makes my skin crawl, lol.  see post
luvcake123
I want to be a makeup model! :)
Heyyy   I've always wanted to model from a very long time.. I want to know how I can model for a makeup brand, ie sephora, mac etc. I haven't ever done it professionally before, because I have been studying and due to other reasons. I am very passionate, and would love to get a chance to try it out  Can anyone please guide me, and give me a bit more information.    
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Azoo
Azoo / NEWCOMER / replied
Hello , My name is Roma . I have good facial features , My friends likes my eyes and smile , My teeth are very cute . Everyone said that you should be a make up model ... see post
Alygal90
I have so much unused make-up? How do I get rid of it?
Long story short: Sadly, thanks to nursing school, my make-up loving days seem to be coming to an end. I no longer have the time (ugh, up at 5:30 am every morning) or money :/   Since I'm going weeks on end without even wearing any, I've decided to shrink my stash and get rid of the stuff I know I'll never use. How should I go about doing this? It would be nice to make a little money off it but maybe I should just donate it? Any other ideas?
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RandeeBT
RandeeBT BEAUTY ADVISOR / BEAUTY ADVISOR BEAUTY ADVISOR / replied
Hi Alygal90!   I have quite a large collection myself and about 1 to 2 times a year, I like to clean out my unused items. I will usually put them in a big bag and le... see post
jozkid
It happened! It finally happened!
Laritheloud is finally a Hall of Famer! YAAAAYYYYYY!!!!!!! Congrats sweetie, it's about time!
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RandeeBT
RandeeBT BEAUTY ADVISOR / BEAUTY ADVISOR BEAUTY ADVISOR / replied
Congratulations, Lari!! :)  see post
Barbie20
Recent Sephora Buys
1. I got the soap and glory sexy mother pucker XL extreme plump collagen lip shine with collagen love this and I  2 .I got Too faced color bomb in candy 3. bareminerals free samples in PERFECTIOn promo code 4. free perfume and hair care samples    
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RandeeBT
RandeeBT BEAUTY ADVISOR / BEAUTY ADVISOR BEAUTY ADVISOR / replied
Hi everyone!   This thread has been closed. Let's try and remain respectful of one another and other members here on Beauty Talk. If you don't agree with what someon... see post
ChicDabbler
LUV TB: Lost Unicorn for VIBRouge Traveling Box
--closed-- Box of awesome high end items and unicorns, show me yours and I'll show you mine, lol. While I’m not “ancient”, I’ve been on BeautyTalk WAY longer than I ever expected and have made some very good friends….as well as been enabled into getting WAY more makeup, lol. It is getting a bit overwhelming and as much as I like pretty things, my style is more minimalist, so I don’t reaaally need 6 or 7 jars of Guerlain meteorites etc. To help revamp/reorganize my stash as well as having some fun with the awesome friends I’ve made, I’m doing the LUV TB.    It contains lots of makeup that I love but never use, altho I couldn’t bear to part with any perfumes or majority of the skincare, so you ladies will have to make up for it along the way. Keep it classy, with high end and preferably new or lightly used things. No drugstores. Since it’s got tons of expensive items, I asked people I trust who are interested, so the box is closed. If it goes well, I may do another one next year when I've accumulated enough treasures. =P   Expand below to see the rules, taken from the awesome roxystar4 and slightly simplified:   Spoiler (Highlight to read) * Please make sure every item is in a plastic ziplock bag to prevent spills. Donts’s ■ DON'T keep the box for more than two days. Keep it moving! If you are traveling or a special circumstance comes up, we can work to rearrange things ■ DON'T put unsanitary items of any sort into the TSB. New or lightly used only ■ DON'T put any drugstore items into the TSB. ■ DON'T swatch items from the box.  ■ DON'T take more than what you put in. Please trade at or above each item’s retail value. Do’s ♥ High-end and unicorn items only. Keep it classy ♥ Unused, swatched or lightly used products are perfectly acceptable. Well-loved items are not. ♥ Send your address to the person above you in a PM. ♥ Package things carefully!  ♥ Post pictures of what you are taking out and putting in.   Allowed: ☆High-end, clean makeup/skincare items ☆Fragrance (be sure to package bottles properly!) ☆Nail polish (again, be careful!) Not allowed: ☆Pre-made samples ☆ NO used/swatched lip wands  ☆Heavily used items ☆ Drugstore items ☆Used items that haven’t been cleaned/sanitized ☆Questionable items (always ask if you have doubts!) If you cannot take photos, Do Not Sign Up, please *******PUT BETTER OR EQUAL PRICED ITEMS IN FOR WHAT YOU TAKE OUT TO KEEP UP THE INTEGRITY OF THE BOX*********   Also, please pick up a large priority box at the post office prior to receiving the box. This is so we can streamline things (get the box to everyone faster in case the box breaks or there's a spill). -send your address to the person above you -post a picture and text what you are taking and what you put in BEFORE you send the box on. * Please make sure every item is in a plastic ziplock bag to prevent spills.Donts’s■ DON'T keep the box for more than two days. Keep it moving! If you are traveling or a special circumstance comes up, we can work to rearrange things■ DON'T put unsanitary items of any sort into the TSB. New or lightly used only■ DON'T put any drugstore items into the TSB.■ DON'T swatch items from the box. ■ DON'T take more than what you put in. Please trade at or above each item’s retail value.Do’s♥ High-end and unicorn items only. Keep it classy♥ Unused, swatched or lightly used products are perfectly acceptable. Well-loved items are not.♥ Send your address to the person above you in a PM.♥ Package things carefully! ♥ Post pictures of what you are taking out and putting in. Allowed:☆High-end, clean makeup/skincare items☆Fragrance (be sure to package bottles properly!)☆Nail polish (again, be careful!)Not allowed:☆Pre-made samples☆ NO used/swatched lip wands ☆Heavily used items☆ Drugstore items☆Used items that haven’t been cleaned/sanitized☆Questionable items (always ask if you have doubts!)If you cannot take photos, Do Not Sign Up, please *******PUT BETTER OR EQUAL PRICED ITEMS IN FOR WHAT YOU TAKE OUT TO KEEP UP THE INTEGRITY OF THE BOX********* Also, please pick up a large priority box at the post office prior to receiving the box. This is so we can streamline things (get the box to everyone faster in case the box breaks or there's a spill).-send your address to the person above you-post a picture and text what you are taking and what you put in BEFORE you send the box on.   Positions are flexible as long as you let me know a couple days beforehand. Right now here's the list: ChicDabbler ghkim katief241981 rikkie AznAngelLiz Missie772 beethousand WendyOMGWar DesertRose0706 Britlee303 anb0906 jellybean917 wingatprsct BeautyJunkie325 mlmac LindenAnn kalex thesupergirl RJAMLT KITKAT2383 It's my first box, so I'm capping it at 20. Wait list: - Sparklekai - myxducky - Oklady2013   That's all, have fun ladies! XD
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tehprincessjenn
HALL OF FAMER tehprincessjenn / HALL OF FAMER HALL OF FAMER / replied
OH WOW. Well definitely the Sun Celebration has me in shock. I do have Cruel Gardenia because thanks to the airport, they still continue to sell it as a travel exclusive... see post
chupi
Subscription box photo sharing
I've been on the Ipsy waiting list, but still look at the thread. I thought we could have a shared thread from all the subscription boxes (including non-beauty ones likes underpants and lifestyle such as Wantable and POPSugar). That way we can live vicariously through each others goodies!   (I know there are unboxing videos on YouTube, but I do not have the patience to sit through a five minute video about someone apologizing for the state of their hair. And I know there are blogs where I can see photos, but everyone usually gets different items in their boxes)
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Mcakes
BEAUTY SAVANT Mcakes / BEAUTY SAVANT BEAUTY SAVANT / replied
Oooh lucky! The Kryolan was awesome!  see post
candacebt
Sephora Show & Tell - In Focus: Eyeliners

We want to know: Do you have an eyeliner application question? Something you've always wanted to know how to do? 

 

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andyhtrieu
Why do you buy high end products?
This thought popped into my head this morning and I asked myself, "why do  i buy high end products?" I buy a few high end products because there's more options, finishes, and shades to choose from.    Do you shop high end because of the different shades and options? or is it because you like brand name products? 
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andyhtrieu
HALL OF FAMER andyhtrieu / HALL OF FAMER HALL OF FAMER / replied
I found it http://community.sephora.com/t5/Products/Blush-Prices-per-Ounce-can-be-Surprising/m-p/1459734#M13215 see post
candacebt
Sephora Show & Tell - Mani Friday: Alexa Lace

What are you rockin' on your tips this weekend? Show and Tell!

 

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tehprincessjenn
Your Views on... ULTA
I dislike the customer service and coupon restrictions. Just tried a coupon that gives NEARLY everything off 20% (even UD) and it didn't work. I wanted the Marc Jacob Daisy So Fresh purse spray. (Not at Sephora)  Another horror was me driving to one 30 minutes away and kept checking up on the limited edition OPI polishes that were out of stock. They offered to get the items and transfer them to the store. IT TOOK A F****ING MONTH. Of course I got it for free because I was b****ing and whining and probably attempted to cause a scene. I complained about the driving and their incompetence.  God, what a nightmare. I love you Sephora. 
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redwagon44
HALL OF FAMER redwagon44 / HALL OF FAMER HALL OF FAMER / replied
I'm pretty much done with Ulta, at least in store.   I went there this week to hit up the Napoleon Perdis sale. The girls were rude, and only addressed me when asking ... see post
dolceloure
Travel products and shopping in Italy!
I'm taking a trip to Italy with a friend and I had a couple of things I wanted to ask about. First, any suggestions about shopping for beauty products?? Definitely Italian brands, but also other brands that aren't easily found in the U.S. (ex: Inglot, Yves Rocher are already on my list)...and I'm definitely up for trying low and high end brands! Also, any specific stores to check out? And if so, what types of products do they carry? For example, I've been trying to do some research on drugstore equivalents there, b/c I don't think it works the same way, having Walgreens/CVS type stores where they sell everything from candy and medicine to makeup and school supplies. Does one just go to the grocery store to find low end makeup? Are there specific chains you'd recommend? I feel like I should know this, I've been to Europe multiple times...just never thought to do any cosmetics shopping! :-/   Also: My friend who's coming with me has a b-day coming up, so her gift is going to be Italy/travel themed! (complete with red, white and green tissue/gift wrap, and a box of pasta ) And part of the gift is a cosmetics bag full of travel-sized toiletries. So far, I've put in shampoo, conditioner, face wash, face towelettes, body wash. Any suggestions for additional products? I can squeeze in one or two more minis in there, and I feel like I'm forgetting some other beauty essentials.... (well, there's a razor, but um..I don't feel comfortable gifting that, lol) I'm also getting her an NYX Love in Florence eye shadow palette, but I don't want to include any other makeup beyond that -- she's not much of a makeup wearer. Suggestions? Ideas?    Grazie!
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andyhtrieu
It's official! I'm a Hall of Famer!!
So many great things are happening this week and this is one of them!  
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beauty4ashes
HALL OF FAMER beauty4ashes / HALL OF FAMER HALL OF FAMER / replied
Whaaat? I thought you were already a HOFer! Congrat's Andy!   see post
Barbie20
I just bought this dress
  Shopbop is selling a different one not the same one as this one this one has pockets obsessed with this dress.  
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Barbie20
BEAUTY BUFF Barbie20 / BEAUTY BUFF BEAUTY BUFF / replied
I heard the shopbop one sucks too so dont buy it its a cheaper version of this dress buy the original contrarian or dont buy it at all.Plus the style of this dress is so... see post
irenet
What was your very First purchase at Sephora and Why take the plunge?
We've all been there...a bag full of unused or disappointing make up from the drug store, which I still like but without the ability to try before buy you end up with a lot of fails. Then you find Sephora and wonder, is the price worth it? You try a few things, you like a few things, you see the price tag and tell yourself: "Eh, I can go with ramen noddles for a week to afford this." And then you buy it. What was your first purchase? Why did you choose it? I always like hearing other stories like this. Share on!
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Azalea14
BEAUTY MAVEN Azalea14 / BEAUTY MAVEN BEAUTY MAVEN / replied
First purchase at Sephora was SMOKED by Urban Decay. I was in this only smokey eye look phase. After that, I venture deeply into Sephora to never look back....except for... see post
Tirah
Does anyone else sit at their vanity just to look at their makeup?
Not applying or playing, but just looking all the pretty colors and how you have them displayed?  This is a bit of a beauty confession but looking at my collection makes me happy and inspires me.
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Azalea14
BEAUTY MAVEN Azalea14 / BEAUTY MAVEN BEAUTY MAVEN / replied
Sorry to break the agreement, but everything is organized by how much i use them lol.  I use to be horrible in keeping up with my makeup, until my boyfriend had enough o... see post
Blackwhiskey
Mall pet peeves
Okay so some of you know I went out to Mexico. Reason was for a dentist appointment, everything was done yesterday and today i'm in pain (not excruciating, but I don't want to touch my face much still).. I went to MAC and Sephora for two reasons.. Russian Red and some eyeshadows. Both sephoras have the same eyeshadows for the new artist shadow MUFE so I just started looking at other stuff. I ended up buying 'The real steal' which comes with the benefit they're real mascara and the they're real push up liner. YES, I wanted to try it and I'm not paying extra money for the liner Anyway, I was headed back to where I had parked and a makeup beauty stand in the middle of the mall stopped me, mind you i kept saying no but they pulled me in with their hurried insistance? that even a word? I'm pretty sure the brush they used to appy their mineral foundation was dirty, but I was wearing my glasses so when I took them off reluctantly I couldn't really see. He was so rough when applying that know my cheek where I had work done hurts. I just told them thanks and I'll buy something tomorrow when I get paid. They even told me I should return my sephora stuff to buy theirs.. what? .. Anyway, the foundation he put was like two shades darker than my skin. What was he thinking? Geez. One thing is other kiosks trying to lure you in, but when it's makeup ones.. ugh. 
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michelleshops
BEAUTY GURU michelleshops / BEAUTY GURU BEAUTY GURU / replied
It's funny how a couple little things can turn your whole day around!  I had my first pumpkin spice latte Thursday and for one second all was right in the world.  Next t... see post
Blackwhiskey
My new kitty
A while back I had made a look using the colors of the stray cat that took shelter in my home, I've fed and given her water ever since. This is the second time she's had kittens, unfortunately the last litter didn't survive and from what I know she only had two this time but only one has made it to the barely opening eyes stage. She had them on July 1st. I haven't named the kitty yet, but here's a picture of his(I'm thinking it's a he) cuteness.  Taken today. 
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jozkid
HALL OF FAMER jozkid / HALL OF FAMER HALL OF FAMER / replied
Awwwww, he's getting so big! see post
fatimamummy
More KVD Palettes are on sale
there are 4 KVD palettes added in sale section. Hurry up girls
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HawaiianEyes7
HALL OF FAMER HawaiianEyes7 / HALL OF FAMER HALL OF FAMER / replied
Yay I just got the Urban Decay face case! It looks like they're still in stock right now, so act fast! :) see post
bcteagirl
New Trans-Canadian Cosmetics Travelling Box/Train!!
Toot toot! Round three of the Trans-Canadian travelling cosmetics train is now *closed* *Update*   Here is the new train order! A couple of stations are friends of mine, I will be passing on their addresses to the people sending to them. Please PM the person sending to you *now* with your full name and address. If you don't have an address by Monday please contact me.  If I have missed somebody on the train please contact me asap     That said, Toot toot! All aboard, here we go!   Ont: 1)      Bcteagirl 2)      Ivyxox: Passed on to Ivy, August 21st 3)      Poornima: Arrived August 24th left August 27th 4)      LovingLondon:   QC: 5) HappyGen   Sask: 6) Gayle (friend)   BC: 7) Heartsmyface 8) Deesa (friend)   Ont:   9)Firespinner 10)  KBmatthews 11)  Yullz 12)  Bcteagirl   I rotated out some items so that there will be new items for the returning members. I added in some brand new Julep, Kiels, and a couple MAC.  I hope everybody has a grand time, I had lots of fun putting this together! I am meeting Ivy very shortly to pass on the box to the next station!     ************************************************** **** You also need to be able to meet the rules in a timely manner, keep the box moving within three days. You need to be able to post photos of what you take and link them in this thread.   This is a longer train, so if you have any travel plans in the next 2-3 months, you need to include this information when you contact me.   You need to: 1) Post in this thread 2) PM me, include full name, full address, if you were on a previous train, and if not the info above (Member for how long, somebody else who can vouch for you). This is a second round of a box, so there is a HUGE variety in here, so much great stuff (thank you previous participants!!). Very exciting to start a box that is such a great mix to start with. We had so much fun on the previous train (and it moved so fast!) that I know this will be great!   BY AGREEING TO PARTICIPATE YOU ARE AGREEING TO THE RULES!   ****NO RESERVE****   ****No Swatching items from the box****   ****ITEMS THAT MAY BE INCLUDED****   ALL SEALED ITEMS are welcome, UNLESS sealed   NO: Nothing you dip your fingers in if opened NO opened mascara NO opened lip wands (the kind you dunk the wand in or things like stila lipglaze). If any of these are new, tape them shut and label them as new.  Leave other lipsticks/etc untapped so people can see the colours.   NOTHING THAT CAN'T BE CLEANED or SANITIZED   all cosmetic/skin care samples are fine   ***Other: For full sized items, there is a strict one in one out policy for drug store items: ie: If you want to trade in a drug store item, you must be taking out a drug store item (Feel free to take out extra drug store items lol). This will ensure that this box is largely of higher quality cosmetics (While still allowing for some variety). There will be just a few drug store items per box    *Be polite *Don't keep the box longer than a few days (please try to keep the box moving in a timely manner)    * All packages must include a tracking number, Send me (@Bcteagirl) the tracking number.   *TRADE ON OR ABOVE the value of the item you took -don't take all of one kind of item, for example, if there are 3 of one perfume, take only 1 so that others will have a chance to try them - One in/one out rule for any drugstore cosmetics (which are limited) -post in a picture and/or text what you took and left -package things carefully and put things that could leak in ziplock bags     **YOU MUST have a tracking number for your package, and it must be posted here!   Once the train order is set, you need to PM the person who is sending to you your address right away, don't wait until the train is close to you!      
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lovinglondon
HALL OF FAMER lovinglondon / HALL OF FAMER HALL OF FAMER / replied
No worries, girl. My writing is always messed up when I write out those slips. I feel you! :) see post