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THANK YOU SEPHORA AND OLE HENRIKSEN!! <3
So today I got my package from Sephora and Ole Henriksen. I received the Power Bright 3-step skin brightening system. There are 6 treatments in the box. It has a 25% Vitamin C concentrate. I haven't tried something like this and am excited to!! Thanks for the genorous gift. =)   As per Sephora-    Solutions for: - Dullness - Uneven skintone - Fine lines and wrinkles   This set contains: - 6 x 0.14 oz Facial Mask - 6 x 0.11 oz Facial Mask Concentrate - 6 x 0.11 oz Facial Cleanser - 2 x Complexion sponges   $66 CAD/$55 USD   I will update on how it works out for me!    
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HALL OF FAMER TrysBeautyItems / HALL OF FAMER HALL OF FAMER / replied
Mine has not arrived yet. I have very hypersensitive skin but not dry, hopefully it helps not backfire :) see post
Finding the culprit!
Hello everyone, I hope you could share some pointers to what just attacked my face!  I began using a new foundation, and after about two days of use, woke up to blackheads. I get a spot or two like clockwork, hormonal, sometimes even cysts, but I haven't had actual blackheads invade like this since I was twelve or so!  My question is, would the foundation be to blame, or is it more likely the  new sleep oil that I've been sampling for around a week?  i also have been experiencing itching although there is zero flaking, hives, or redness.   Id hate to do a used return if it is another product.  Everything else in my routine is 100% the same.   Thanks in advance!!  
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HALL OF FAMER studz / HALL OF FAMER HALL OF FAMER / replied
I think it could help if you told us which foundation and which sleeping oil you've been using.   Honestly I think it could be either.   Sleeping oils can be good fo... see post
Best Self Tanner - Deep Color, Long Lasting, Non Streaky, Dries Quick, Less Transfer
Evaluating self tanners and I'd love advice from all of you!  There were some older threads that touched on self tanners, but I'm hoping to get some updates now that some new products are out.   I'm looking for:   - Deepest color (not orange of course, not toooo olive either - I'm looking at you Xen Tan); I'd like to be very tan looking (I am med to fair normally) - Last lasting as possible (Vita Liberata is great exaggerating with 2-3 weeks, but ya know) - Non streaky/not prone to splotichess as it fades (no chunking off) - Quick Drying as I hate being wet and sticky in the summer heat, and because I don't want it transferring to everything - No strong perfume scent (coconut OK, DHA smell is even OK) but no floral because gives me huge headache - I prefer mouse/foam, dry oil, even lotion over wipes at this point   Also - so has anyone used Tanceuticals darkest formula?  I read good reviews online but I'm worried they might be paid...   Here's what I've tried recently:   1. Vita Liberata Mouse - I like this, it meets most of my requirements, I just didn't fall in love -- this is my back up.  Some transfer of course.  I would get the deepest shade next time.  Does NOT last 2+ weeks as they claim.  Rosy bronze color with olive undertones.   2. Xen Tan - lotion, not horrible but a little too orange and olive mixed somehow, on my skin - just doesn't look quite natural.  Because this is a heavier lotion, it stays wet and tacky on my skin too long .  I have to use a lot to get good coverage. Just OK.   3. Vita Liberata Dry Oil - I like this, I am trialing it today for the first time.  My bottle is older but had never been opened, finally got around to trying it.  Application is a huge pain however, it comes out in TINY drops from the bottle, it's super thin liquidy and dribbles everywhere.  It does dry somewhat quicker.  The color seems rosy bronze.  I like the idea that it has shimmer although I can't actually see it on my body.   4. Tan Towels - nope. Streaky, orange, dried my skin out, barely tanned me, faded immediately, nope nope nope.   Love to hear your favs and least favs!   Thanks all...  
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HALL OF FAMER Tamara76 / HALL OF FAMER HALL OF FAMER / replied
@Nicrohr Vita Liberata Self Tanning Mousse is my HG, so I am so sorry that it didn't last long for you.  :(   Did you apply it more than once in 24 hours and did you ... see post
Mid 30s looking for help with total skincare regimen
Hi! I'm in my mid-30s and am looking for help putting together a complete skincare regimen. I usually buy whatever is on sale at the drugstore, and generally only use a cleanser and moisturizer....but I'm ready to step up my game.   I've been checking into Rodan + Fields, but I'm not convinced it's right for me. I have combo skin and my main areas of concern are pores, redness/uneven skin, dullness and anti-aging. I'm completely overwhelmed by all of the options and have no idea what to buy and when to use each product.   Thanks for your help!
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BEAUTY MAVEN LWard930 / BEAUTY MAVEN BEAUTY MAVEN / replied
What is your budget? I use and love Sunday RIley products for uneven skin, anti aging and dullness. I use the luna oil and good genes at night. I also use her Artemis oi... see post
What are you watching? (Don't be a spoil sport - spoiler your spoilers)
We're blabbing about everything else these days, I figured I'd check in and see what people are watching when it comes to TV shows and movies!   It would be foolish to think that this thread could remain spoiler free, so let's be courteous to one another and be sure to spoiler your spoilers. If you don't know how, it's that super adorable little yellow button on the toolbar, located to the right of the bold/italic/underline/strikeout buttons.    DONT FORGET: If you happen to be the most recent post, your first sentence or two of your post will show up EVEN IF ITS IN A SPOILER. So please take care if you're going to go dropping spoiler bombs.    Anywho... I just saw the movie PHOENIX last night and it was absolutely spectacular. Like Academy Award spectacular. If you're fortunate enough have showings in your area, I cannot urge you enough to go see it.    So whatcha'll watchin' these days? What are you anxiously waiting for to start back up? 
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HALL OF FAMER KatieKabam / HALL OF FAMER HALL OF FAMER / replied
hahah like Arseface?!   My mom watched the first episode before me and was texting me, "there is a character who looks like he has a butth*le for a mouth?!" see post
Allergic Reaction?
This really sucks. I have somewhat sensitive skin but I've never had a reaction that looks like this and I fear that it will only get worse. It started yesterday in a couple of places and it didn't look bad. Today it got worse.   I'm including a couple photos because I don't know how to best describe it other than "it looks like a bunch of tiny red dots that look like micro pimples".     Below the photos I've included all new products used this week along with all the products I use regularly.   Pictures taken after cleansing and toner.       I've only used a few new things in the past week. Do I need to go farther back? And yes I know I should have spot tested and not introduced so many new things at once but it's done. Deluxe: FAB Face Cleanser (used on Thurs & Fri) Deluxe: Origins Original Skin Renewal Serum (used nightly, I had used a jar sample before and no reaction) Foils: The Face Shop Mango Seed Volume Butter For Face (2X, used Weds & Thurs) Foils: Biotherm Aquasource Everplump (used Fri night, I have used other Biotherm night cream foils and no reaction)   I'm going to go through my whole routine I guess... Every night: The Face Shop Calming Seed Cleanser (if not using other cleansers) The Face Shop Calming Seed Toner Origins Original Skin Renewal Serum A sheet mask The Body Shop Vit E Eye Cream, but I ran out so more recently it's been The Face Shop The Therapy Secret Made Anti Aging Eye Cream The Body Shop Tea Tree Blemish Fade Night Lotion and a cream but I ran out of my usual The Face Shop Calming Seed Cream   Additional products not used nightly: Weds: Laneige Mulberry Yogurt Repairing Mask The Face Shop Mango Seed Volume Butter for Face   Thurs: Boscia Exfoliating Peel Gel Murad T Zone Pore Refining Gel The Face Shop Mango Seed Volume Butter for Face   Fri: Glamglow Flashmud Origins Active Charcoal Mask Biotherm Aquasource Everplump Laneige Water Sleeping Mask
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HALL OF FAMER jozkid / HALL OF FAMER HALL OF FAMER / replied
@studz Yay! So good to hear. Yeah, finding an eye cream without caffeine is hard, especially since many don't come right out and call it caffeine. More often a botanical... see post
Q. Ole Henriksen product question
Hello,  I just received some Ole Henriksen products I ordered online, the aloe vera deep cleanser, the grease relief facial water and the grease relief face tonic....is there a difference between the facial water and facial tonic? Can I use both of them back to back, if not which one should I keep?  Thank you.
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HALL OF FAMER virgo87 / HALL OF FAMER HALL OF FAMER / answered
A. Hi @FatimaCM   The tonic is a toner and the facial water can be used as a toner but can also be used throughout the day to help keep oil at bay.    If you want to k... see post
best selling affordable eye cream
looking for a good eye cream, I'm 25 don't have bags but can get dry and i am trying to prevent aging. 
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JaneanBT BEAUTY ADVISOR / BEAUTY ADVISOR BEAUTY ADVISOR / replied
Hi @ELT14,   I personally love First Aid Beauty's Eye Duty Triple Remedy AM Gel Cream. The texture is so nice and smooth and feels very refreshing. This will  hydra... see post
Korres cleanser and Clarisonic
Hi! I've been using my Clarisonic for a couple of weeks now and I'm currently using it with a FAB cleanser. I'm thinking of getting Korres Wild Rose Daily Brightening & Refinishing Buff Cleanser due to my uneven skin tone and dark spots and my question is, can I use that with my Clarisonic? If not, I don't want to store my Clarisonic in the drawers cause it's so expensive and I want to make the most out of it, can I use the FAB cleanser and then use the Korres cleanser as exfoliator or is that too much cleansing since the Korres cleanser works as both cleanser and exfoliator?
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HALL OF FAMER TrysBeautyItems / HALL OF FAMER HALL OF FAMER / replied
Ok, I don't even use that much due to my skin. For cleansers I just use basic ones, as they get washed off, I prefer a leave on treatment - mask, serum, peel etc. Popula... see post
What face washes help with cystic acne?
My boyfriend has horrible cystic acne and i am looking for medication to help him with it... I 'd like some advice on a face wash to help with it
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BEAUTY BRAINIAC g8sushma / BEAUTY BRAINIAC BEAUTY BRAINIAC / replied
What products would you recommend.  I just turned 30 and am having bad hormonal acne.  With large cystic masses that are painful when they start to form.   see post
im looking for a good foundation that is for oily skin
BEAUTY MAVEN katele1 / BEAUTY MAVEN BEAUTY MAVEN / replied
What technique do you use with this foundation? i heard it dry super fast. see post
Q. Skin Care.... HELP!!!
  Hello everyone! I keep having the hardest time trying to find a good skin care routine... and good skin care products. Im 19 and have never ever loved my skin.  I'd say I have norman to combo skin (more dry than oily) and I have times when I break out really bad then I don't (back and forth, back and forth), But I've always had at least 1 or more pimples on my face! Once one starts going away, another appears... It's frustrating! I also have terrible black heads on my nose and under my bottom lip area/chin.... and little pumps that aren't pimples but aren't black heads either? <- not really sure what they are exactly or what they're called?? But I always have those on my face also.   Im in need of products that will actually work for my skin!!!! Anyone have any thoughts on Dr.Brandt? Origins? Clinique? Clinical Advanced Skincare? OR any other brands that work for them??? Also, Products that work best?   ---Im a collage student at a makeup school (no, we don't learn anything about skincare..)  so I don't want to get something thats going to cost me 300 or more, I need something that is reasonable.  I know nothing about skincare and need tips!! Right now I am currently between products and trying a few things here and there for a few weeks at a time to see how my skin reacts to the products. I always wash my face before bed & in the morning.... with hot water & a cleanser, then wash it off and use cool water. Then I apply a serum & face cream. I also use a mask once every week.    TIPS PLEASE!!!  Thanks xo.
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BEAUTY MAVEN glowseeker / BEAUTY MAVEN BEAUTY MAVEN / answered
A. chemical exfoilation is the best for acne prone skin based off my experience. I use toner that has bha's or aha's, examples include, pixi glow tonic toner, benton aloe t... see post
Naturopathy for acne?
  Hi all, Which all methods are you using for your skin care? Is there any effect on naturopathy for skin care? Does anyone had tried it? While browsing I read that naturopathy treatments are good for treating acne? My sister is suffering from severe acne so she is planning to get treatment from nearby physiotherapy clinic in Toronto, but before that, I need to know whether someone had tried it. Kindly share your experience.
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BEAUTY MAVEN glowseeker / BEAUTY MAVEN BEAUTY MAVEN / replied
I haven't done a professional treatment but I follow some vegan blogs and picked up some tips that help. - Aloe vera gel - turmeric face masks - drinking green tea an... see post
SKINCARE HGs !
i've seen this type of question asked more generally, but i wanted to ask it specific to skincare. not only is it interesting to see what has really worked for people, but it'll maybe highlight some products others are interested in trying !   so: what are specific  products that would cause you to hyperventilate were you to run out ?   mine currently are:   cleansers CLINIQUE take the day off cleansing balm (makeup removal) NUDE SKINCARE perfect cleanse omega cleansing jelly (skin cleanser) PIXI glow mud cleanser toners (acids & hydrating) FIRST AID BEAUTY facial radiance pads (AHA) PIXI glow tonic (AHA) CAUDALIE beauty elixir (moisture) MURAD essential-c toner (moisture) oils and serums CLARINS lotus facial oil DRUNK ELEPHANT B-hydra complex serum MURAD rapid age spot and pigment lightening serum (for, obviously, pigment lightening) moisturizers AVEDA botanical kinetics hydrating face lotion AVEDA botanical kinetics soft creme (for p.m.) masks (i like to have an arsenal for different purposes) REN glycol lactic radiance renewal mask (resurfacing) OLE HENRIKSEN lemon strip flash peel (resurfacing: hardcore) PETER THOMAS ROTH rose stem cell mask (hydrating / soothing / toning / brightening) PIXI glow mud mask to be fair...i think this is a LOT to be considered truly HG. but you guys know i have a lot of steps in my daily routine, and these are tried-and-true loves of mine !   edited 6/16/16
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BEAUTY MAVEN glowseeker / BEAUTY MAVEN BEAUTY MAVEN / replied
- Benton Aloe toner - mizon snail repair cream - glam glow clearing mask   see post
Skin care for combination, dehydrated, blemish (not acne) prone skin
Hi!!! I was wondering if anyone has any skin care product recommendations for dehydrated and blemish prone skin. Lately I've been breaking out more and I find that I have many under the skin type of pimples that just give my skin a bumpy texture somewhat and on top of that I have dehydrated skin. I have very few dry patches but my skin typically feels tight unless I moisturizer and pretty much whenever I wear makeup my face gets oily within a few hours (trying to compensate for the dryness). Any product recommendations will be appreciated!! Thanks  
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BEAUTY MAVEN glowseeker / BEAUTY MAVEN BEAUTY MAVEN / replied
I have the same problem. These products have never made me break out - Estee lauder stay in place foundation - bare mineral primer (white packaging) - dior star found... see post
Recommended products while using Accutane?
I'm going to be starting Accutane next month and was wondering if anyone recommends certain moisturizers, primers, foundation, etc. to help with the dryness. 
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BEAUTY MAVEN glowseeker / BEAUTY MAVEN BEAUTY MAVEN / replied
Your skin will be very dry and red and sensitive. I've tried a variety of oral pills fromt he derm to help with my skin and these products helped me cope with the side e... see post
skincare routine: order of products
Hi my name is Kristen and I am a skincare noob.😳   As a general guide, I'm wondering in what order products should be applied? Obviously start with cleanser, but then what?   Also, do you do the same order routine for both day and night? Like if a serum was applied before applying foundation during the day, would the foundation be able to stay on your skin?
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KristenPri / NEWCOMER / replied
So detailed, I love it! Thank you so much!!! see post
facelift surgery?
  Hi, my elder sister has a plan to undergo facelift surgery in Dr. Omar Fouda Neel's clinic in Montreal. The problem is that none of our friends or relatives have undergone one before so we are quite unknown about how the procedure would be like, how long would be the recovery time etc. I wish if I could get her some more useful information regarding facelift surgery. Is there any other procedure that should be considered along with facelift to get a better result? Do you guys have any alternative option to suggest?        
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Combination skin/brown girls
What regime do you recommend for combination skin that is acne prone with hyper pigmentation? Usually on the cheeks but have been present on the forehead. I seem to respond well with benzoyl peroxide vs salicylic acid. I read online (Acne.org regime). I had my face waxed 1.5 yrs ago and skin has never been the same again. Ugly scarring and constant battle of acne almost cystic like. Hyper pigmentation occurs without even picking at them. Even tried prescription combo of Hydrochlorquine 4%, retina 0.05 and hydrocortisone 2.5%.. Helps with the pain of the acne, decrease them some but still better results wit benzoyl peroxide. 
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BEAUTY CELEB LizH97 / BEAUTY CELEB BEAUTY CELEB / replied
A benzyol peroxide 1% wash is gonna be best for you to use at least once a day. As for hyper pigmentation time is the only thing that will let your dark spots heal unles... see post
How to deal with oily skin?
Hello friends,   I've always had relatively oily skin, but it has gotten especially oily this past month or so. I wash my face with cleanser twice everyday, and I have also tried a number of different masks (from Caudalie, Caolion, etc.). I was wondering if anybody could recommend a good foundation/translucent powder (or any makeup product, really) that could help minimize my oiliness? Something light or natural would be preferable, as I've never really worn makeup before. Mask recommendations would be appreciated as well! Thanks!
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BEAUTY CELEB LizH97 / BEAUTY CELEB BEAUTY CELEB / replied
Cleansing twice a day is perfectly fine for oily skin I would not recommend skipping to once a day (as told to me by my dermatologist). ANYTHING from bare minerals found... see post
Daily Skincare - what are you using?
Often people ask for recommendations on a skincare routine or for specific products/combinations.  This might be a place to share your everyday skincare, both AM and PM.  A skincare "what are you wearing" as it were.  Hope this is useful.   *Age - 40 Skin type - oily/combination Current skin condition - quite dehydrated (winter/indoor heating)*   01/17/16 - AM skincare in the order I used 1. Nude Jelly cleanser (love) 2. Pixi Glow tonic (5% glycolic toner - love) 3. Omorovicza Queen of Hungary Spritz (sample) 4. Radical Skincare Youth Infusion serum - hydrating and anti-ageing (new to me.  Testing) 5. Bobbi Brown Hydrating Eye Cream (like) 6. Elemis Pro-Collagen Marine cream (really like as an AM moisturizer)   I will try to post PM skincare tonight so the post can be comprehensive.   General comments - Okay skin.  Apparently the age between 38-42 is a transformational time in hormones (dehydrated skin/spots), so I am more aware of how my skin performs/reacts .  My skincare definitely has more "actives" now than before.
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HALL OF FAMER alexasteph / HALL OF FAMER HALL OF FAMER / replied
Age: 26 Skin type: Dry-Normal Current skin condition: No major issues, just a bit of redness over my nose and chin   AM Routine: 1. Josie Maran Exfoliating Argan Po... see post
Skin Care (pimples, dark spots)
Hi there! I have major acne problems. I use to have problems with pimples now i don't anymore. Im a dark skin woman and i currently have an issue with dark spots/ scarring. I was wondering if anyone would know any really really good skin care products for my issue? Masks, cleansers, anything would help.   thank you in advance!
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JaneanBT BEAUTY ADVISOR / BEAUTY ADVISOR BEAUTY ADVISOR / replied
Hi Loladexo,   I suggest Murad's Rapid Age Spot and Pigment Lightening Serum. This contains  two percent hydroquinone to diminish the appearance of dark spots, age s... see post
Teenage Skincare?
Hi! I"m 13 years old and am for looking some good skincare products. I have normal/dry skin with some acne here or there. I'm currently looking for a moisturizer and possibly eye cream? I currently use Ole Henriksen Sheer Transformation moisturizer which I found out had anti aging properties in there which I feel I'm too young for... I use to use Clinique Dramatically Different Moisturizer which I felt worked good for me but when I went to Sephora planning to buy it again the skincare woman there said it was for more mature skin than mine and recommended me Ole Henriksen?  Anyways, I'm just trying to find a good moisturizer for normal - dry skin and possibly a good eye cream for dark circles?   Thanks in advance!  
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JaneanBT BEAUTY ADVISOR / BEAUTY ADVISOR BEAUTY ADVISOR / replied
Hi DeirdreBres,   I suggest looking into the First Aid Beauty Line. They have a great kit called the Spring it FAB. It includes their famous  Ultra Repair Cream Inte... see post
Smooth and Hydrate Skin
I am looking for a product that will help smooth and hydrate my skin! I am also looking for a good face wash!
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HALL OF FAMER TrysBeautyItems / HALL OF FAMER HALL OF FAMER / replied
What's your skin type? It seems rough and dry or possibly dehydrated from your statement. Acne prone? Any ingredients to stray from? Are you looking for a particular ing... see post
best facial pads for acne?
Hi! Does anyone have recommendations for the best facial pads for acne-prone skin? I am at my wits' end here. I'm 34, and ever since I had a baby last year, my skin has been a disaster. I'm pretty sure it's primarily driven by hormones, since I am still breastfeeding, but because of the breastfeeding and the fact that we plan to try for another baby pretty soon, I'm limited in what I can get from a dermatologist. In the past Retin-A has been a lifesaver, but that's off the table for now.    I have been using the PTR Max Complexion Correction pads for over two months, and they don't seem to be doing much except drying out my skin. I  also have the DDF 5% benzoyl peroxide lotion that I use sparingly as a spot treatment. I am also working on overhauling my diet, cutting out dairy and excess sugars to help prevent inflammation.    So, my question is this: is there a good facial pad I can use instead of the PTR pads? Or should I stick with the PTR pads even longer? I know it takes a while for results, but I would hope that after 10-11 weeks, SOMETHING would be improved. I've considered the Dennis Gross Alpha Beta peel pads, Philosophy (they used to have something wonderful called the Microdelivery Mini Peel Pads a long time ago, but those appear to be discontinued now), anything else I should look at? Or that you have had success with?    I'm moving to a new city next week and really dreading meeting new people and making new friends with my face like this. I feel like I'm starting high school and have the skin to prove it. Thanks in advance for any tips or product recommendations!
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BEAUTY PRO atr3810 / BEAUTY PRO BEAUTY PRO / replied
Thanks for the recommendation! I'll read up on it and maybe give it a try.  see post
Super easy skin care for a guy who knows nothing about skin care?
So my brother and I were talking today and I managed to convince him to stop taking skin care advice from our father and tentatively consider using products actually meant for skin on his skin (so no, shampoo is not meant to be a body and face wash too for example).  The catch is that he has never had any kind of skin care routine and doesn't really have an interest in anything that would take a lot of time or require leaning much and his description of his skin type is "I don't know, I think it must be kind of oily sometimes because I get bumps, but not much....".  He's in is mid 30s.   So I was thinking of starting him with something relatively simple like: 1) a  cheapish exfoliating body wash (if anyone has any suggestions that don't smell to "girly" or "like that Axe crap", I'm all ears)   and   2) a face wash that would be simple and kind of moisturizing.  I was thinking maybe a bar would seem more familiar but am totally open to suggestions.....  I saw there was now a trial size of the two Drunk Elephant cleanser bars at sephora and wondered about that, but wasn't sure if a bar was the way to go given that he has a beard and I've never tried them either, but I heard really good things and have been wondering about them myself so I'm torn.....     Thoughts/Suggestions??????
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SIGHTSEER theslyestfox / SIGHTSEER SIGHTSEER / replied
Do NOT, I repeat, do NOT use face scrubs! They are super abrasive and actually put micro tears in the skin and cause aging and wrinkles over time. they are super harsh. ... see post
Adding a drop of Witch Hazel to toner
Hello lovelies,   I use Clean and Clear toner with salicylic acid, and I just started adding a drop of Witch Hazel to it. And my skin loves it! Witch Hazel can help control acne and also reduce red spots and swelling. Super cheap too. I love my Clean and Clear, and I was experimenting with it. It does great on its own, but that drop of Witch Hazel really makes a difference. Anyone else try something like this?
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BEAUTY WHIZ Cutiecrusader / BEAUTY WHIZ BEAUTY WHIZ / replied
The clean and clear with benzoyl peroxide is my go to for when I get occaisanal breakouts. When I was younger it was the only thing that ever helped (I tried everything ... see post
#helpabrotherout
I am trying to get some skin care for my girlfriend. She is really into that stuff. However, I am getting pretty lost in all of this? Can people recommend some products? Also, I am super curious as to what makes these products good. Thanks. Also she is blond and she in her late 20s.
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HALL OF FAMER MarciaBrady / HALL OF FAMER HALL OF FAMER / replied
I would love to get that as a gift, too! That mist is heavenly. see post
I need something to help with redness
I have redness on my cheeks and the center of my forehead, it is not acne related. I have not had acne there in almost 10 years.  I have very dry and sometimes sensitive skin. my skin care routine right now is geared towards my skin type and does not cause the redness. I'm looking for something to treat the problem. At this point, Ill even take recommendations on how to cover it up because foundation and concealer doesn't cover it.
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HALL OF FAMER missey1973 / HALL OF FAMER HALL OF FAMER / replied
I have rosacea and us the it cosmetics line. It has worked well for me. see post