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Thoughts on Paula's Choice?

Do you agree with her views on skincare products? 

I'm on a hunt for my Summer night serum & moisturizer. I think I'm going to purchase the Perricone Blue Plasma even though it stinks so bad of fish & I hate fish. I've been researching products a lot and one of the sites I was on was Paula's Choice. She is not a fan of the serum... Actually the more I read through her "beautypedia" reviews, it seems like she's not a fan of a lot of products. I also got a feeling she was mainly trying to push her own products and Olay. 

Examples: 

- She's against treatment cleansers since it's just "washed down the drain". I have to disagree with this. When I use a treatment cleanser, although they can be drying, I do see improvement in my breakouts. 

- Witch Hazel is bad. I find witch hazel to be an important ingredient when choosing a toner. She think it's just as bad as alcohol if not worse. 

 

Products she gave a "poor" rating to: 

- Anthony Logistic's Glycolic cleanser got a poor rating because it doesn't contain any glycolic acid. 

- doctor dennis gross's A/B pads since we can just skip step 2 by simply splashing water on our face to deactivate step 1. 

- Dior Capture Totale One Essential Serum because it's not a "miracle serum" since it's primarily just "water, slip agents, and alcohol"

- ExfoliKate

- Just about every Ole Henriksen product I love :smileysad: 

- Origins Checks & Balances, Charcoal Mask & every other decent product from them

- Most Murad products

 

I do agree with a few points she makes, like companies need to stop putting active ingredients in clear vials so the sun doesn't break down the properties of the treatment. Also jar packaging is a big no-no for her. I understand that some creams are too thick to be put in a pump, but what about those airless jars that Bosica & Dermadoctor are using? I hate sticking my fingers in jars & the air does break down the active ingredients over time... 

Overall though, I don't think I'll be going to her site when I'm researching a new product I want to try. 

DTalksAll

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I think skincare is so personal. Even dermatologists don't get it right the first time when treating your skin. If something is working for you, continue using it! 

michmo

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Again, I know this is an old post, but I wanted to chime in too.  

 

I go to Paula's reviews often.  I like to see the reviews for products I am interested in.  I take it as just an opinion, sometimes with some factual knowledge about ingredients.  Sometimes products I like don't get rated well, sometimes they do.  

 

A lot of people say she has an agenda, but sometimes I do get really helpful information from her reviews.  I have pretty sensitive skin, and she really does break down what *may* irritate.  The other point I will make is that she does give other brands "BEST" reviews, so she isn't completely pushing her products.  

 

Lastly, while some products don't get the top ratings based on packaging or simple ingredients like fragrance or such, I am capable of reading through that review to see that while she has issue with certain features they are not an issue for me and that products is actually pretty good despite the rating she gave.  

 

While a lot of people seem to hate the site, I find it helpful for my sensitive skin.  And for the record, I don't use a single Paula's Choice product.  

gogreyhound

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Add my name to the list of those who take her reviews with a grain of salt...she has an agenda, which is to make her own products look infinitely superior by making everything else sound awful. When I used her site for the first time, I found it more confusing until I realized this.  We all have different skin, different needs, and honestly, what works for one (or one hundred) might not work for me. We can use sites like hers for research or general information, but I think becoming educated on ingredients and their usage is the most helpful. Knowing what types of products will work the best on our own individual skin takes a lot of trial and error. I read rave reviews here on things I know I can't use or don't care for, but I think it all adds up to education in the end.  :smileyhappy:

sephoramusthave

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I couldn't care less about her reviews on products, I only go to her site once in a blue moon if I need an ingredient list for a specific product. Everyone has different skin, and different products work for different people. My holy grail items might be ones that you hate with a passion because they just did not work out for you. She gave horrible reviews to products that I consider excellent just because of one ingredient ( natural or chemical) or because of packaging. If you don't like jars, either don't buy them or use a little spoon but to completely trash a good product with good ingredients just because it comes in jar packaging is not okay. I just don't understand her ratings. She will trash a all natural product because one of the ingredients might potentially irritate someone somewhere in the world, but she'll give a rave review to a product that's filled with parabens and other cheap chemicals. Some of the products she gives an excellent rating to absolutely do not work for me such as Cerave cleansers----that stuff burned my skin like no other >_<

beachyt

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I use her site often before I make any skincare purchases, mainly because I was browsing it one day and found that a Ren product I was using contained ingredients that were more likely to speed up the aging process, rather than stall it. O_O Plus, I agree with her stance on jar packaging; if I'm going to spend money on good ingredients I'd like for them to stay stable enough to work.

 

However, I discount any bad marks she gives for products being fragranced, as that generally doesn't bother me. I also take it with a grain of salt when she says that specific ingredients "could be irritating". I have moderately sensitive skin but usually don't have too much of a problem when trying out new stuff.

 

I have tried a few products that earned her 'best' rating and they were pretty awful -- Philosophy's Hope in a Tube eye & lip cream burned my eyes like crazy, and Neutrogena's tone-correcting moisturizer with SPF leaves my face too slick to be something I want to use during the day. :/ Her recommendations are hit and miss but I appreciate being able to read a breakdown of the ingredients in layman's terms.

craftzombie

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I was reading an article on Caroline Hiron's blog concerning PC that was interesting......

 

http://www.carolinehirons.com/2013/06/paula-begoun-rumour-mill-and-make-your.html

 

and in the comments, she replies to someone concerning jar packaging..... "There is absolutely NO difference between a jar and a tube except customer preference. Airless pumps are a different story - tubes of cream are not. Preservatives are so sophisticated these days that I do use jars......."

manniface

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I think it depends on if the active ingredients are stabilized by being "macro-encapsulated"- whatever that is. Time for more research!

beachyt

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Interesting! I actually didn't buy/try the Eve Lom cleanser because her review of it was so hard. (Plus, the cost.) Most of my other skincare stuff is in an airless pump, save for my face cleanser. Although, it would be nice to know what the time frame is for products in a jar to become useless.. because if they're talking about it breaking down after 5-6 months then it really wouldn't matter, save for bacteria getting in there, since I usually use up face products within 3-4 months!

manniface

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ooooooh this is interesting! There is a study "Stability of fat-soluble vitamins A (retinol palmitate), E (tocopherol acetate), and K1 (phylloquinone) in total parenteral nutrition at home." that found "With exposure to sunlight, vitamin losses were 100% at 3 hours for vitamin A and 50% for vitamin K1; vitamin E concentrations were unchanged after 12 hours of experiment".

 

I wonder if retinol palmitate is this macro-encapsulated Retinol? THe molecule doesn't seems to be encapsulated but it seems to be more stabilized than plain old retinol….

manniface

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well as of no I have no idea what this macro-encapsulation is (or how it affects the penetration of active ingredients to the skin) but for retenol  I was able to find the following info

"RE is expected to be stable for about one year if unopened in the sealed amber glass vial (packaged under argon atmosphere), stored at -20°C" however it is "readily" oxidized. 

 

manniface

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I would have to agree with you. She is a bit excessive on the anti-frangence war path but I think her explanations if a product and physically work or not based on the science around the ingredients (like for that REN product)  is rather good 

craftzombie

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I know this is an old thread, but I wanted people to know...... I submitted a bad review weeks ago on her site for her new matte eyeshadow palette (unblendable, overpriced, etc.) and they never posted it. Every single review with the exception of one (which isn't even all that bad of a review) is a great review. I wrote several great reviews for other products and those were up the next day. Mysteriously, my bad review seems to have entered a black hole when I hit the submit button. I Googled this and found that other people had the same issue. So to me, it's really shady how PC can give a bad review to products all the time, yet she can't take it if someone gives her products a bad review. Seems untrustworthy to me and it's a shame that I can't trust the reviews on her products anymore, considering I love most of the skincare stuff I've purchased. I will say though, I had no problem getting a refund and I do like that you can buy samples. I do go on Beautypedia frequently, but now, considering one shady practice, I'm questioning what other shady practices are going on over there. :/

itscarin

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I hate when people can't handle criticism.  So annoying.

beachyt

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That sucks. I was hesitant to try anything from her line for the exact reason that I wasn't sure how much I could trust what they write about her own products (of course they all earn a 'best' rating) but I've had good results with the one moisturizer I've tried so far.

craftzombie

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I have several of her BHA products and retinol serums and I love them. They are holy grail skin care products for me and I hope they are available forever. You can at least get samples first and try them out. I thought I would give her makeup a try. The palette was getting such good reviews that I seriously thought it was going to be awesome. Total fail. The people giving it great reviews are either not real customers or don't know how a good matte shadow is supposed to perform. I had better results from two dollar Coastal Scents matte shadows, and NYX shadows. For forty bucks, I expected more and I said so in my review. I know makeup and how to apply it and I just couldn't get those shadows to blend at all. So now I picture tons of people reading all the great reviews for that palette and getting duped out of their money. I was refunded at least, but what a waste of my time.

beachyt

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I forget which moisturizer I have but it's from her Resist line and I love it. I ordered a few other things from Birchbox with points dollars I'd been saving up, so I'm excited to try those out (one of which is the BHA!).

 

Still though, for someone who is so balls-to-the-wall about products being high quality and honest in their claims you'd think they would allow negative reviews to give customers enough unbiased feedback to help them make decisions. I've read plenty of negative reviews on Sephora for products that I still wound up buying and loved, and some with nothing but amazing reviews that I ended up disliking. I hate it when companies think they have to get all secretive about things. :smileysad:

craftzombie

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I totally agree. She completely bashes Philosophy Purity Made Simple cleanser and I still buy it because it removes all of my makeup and doesn't leave my skin tight. She needs to understand that negative reviews are going to happen no matter what because you can never please everyone. Certain products work for some and not for others. If it doesn't work for someone, I want to know why and what happened. Whatever happened to them doesn't mean it's going to happen to me. I feel like an idiot because I really rely on reviews and didn't think these companies had the balls to remove posts out of fear of being called out on it, especially in the age of social media.

arielaaaaaaaa

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Sephora does the same thing, There have been countless people here who say Sephora doesn't post their bad reviews. Either way, i look at ingredients, not reviews.

craftzombie

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Really? Grrrr..... that's so irritating! I didn't know it was happening on Sephora too. Thanks for sharing.

sdbeautyjunkie1

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Thanks for sharing this! That is incredibly shady. 

garnett

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Paula has been around for a long time and I do look at her reviews but I don't use it as my only source.  I love Dr. Dennis Gross AB Extra Strength  Peel and she thinks it's awful because it contains witch hazel and she thinks the second step could be replaced by water.  Nonsense!  This is a gentle and effective product and the second step contains quite a few antiaging ingredients.  She thinks that philosophy Purity Made Simple is an awful cleanser and many people swear by it.  She thinks UD 24/7 eyeliner pencils are terrible.  I think they are among the best I have every used. 

I do agree with her when it comes to packaging.  Active ingredients in products will break down more quickly  when exposed to light and air.  Some people are sensitive and need to know if a product contains known irritants like fragrance.  She does give good scientific advice like when she reviews products that contain active ingredients such as  glycolic acid.  If the pH in the product isn't good for the ingredient or is the percentage of the acid isn't high enough (or is too high) the product will not be effective. These are the things I tend to look for in her reviews. 

Paula is marketing her own line and has her own agenda.  Even so, don't throw the baby out with the bath water.  Use her as one of your rescources when investigating the value of a new product. 

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